HII new here and to salty fish

[Massey]

HII every one!!
I have had a few fresh water tanks over the last few years and they have all done great, now I would like to try going for the pretty salty fish. I am going to be taking my 30gal tank that I have a freshwater setup in and make it into a saltwater tank. I have alot of questions.

For my gravel would it be OK to keep the current stuff I have? There is a small amount of algae growing on it now. My Pleco and snails are doing a pretty good job keeping it clean but there is still a little green. Oh ya I use sand under the gravel.

I currently use a hood and flourescent lighting, I have found that I cant grow a reef with the hood light but how about maintaining a SW aquarium. I do want a reef but I simply dont have the $$$ for it right now.

Filtration, I have been told that my filtration is a little too little I use a Penguin Bio wheel 150 right now. How big should I go? My LPS said a second 150 will be just fine.

Water flow, how large of a power head should I use to keep a good flow in a 30 gal tank. 36x24x18 ( I think that is the right dimentions)

Those are just a few for a salty tank if ya all dont mind a few about a smallish reef tank

Can a successfull reef tank be built with out the complex filtration that goes behind or under the tank? I dont have room behind the tank for that type and pricing parts to make a undertank filter was out of my range ATM.

What choices do I have for lighting? my LPS showed me some lights that were over $250 and they said the lights were an absolute must have for a reef.

Wether I am able to build a reef or not one of the fish that I really want to have is a clownfish. I like the bright colored fish the best but I am sorry I dont know all the types right yet.

Thank you in advance for any help that can be offered or advised. I am new to salt and want to learn as much as I can to make my tank healthy and happy.

Massey

[matthew1048]

Although I'm not really qualified to answer questions here as I am new myself, I think I could show you a few sources that I've been reading through that have taught me alot!!!

http://www.livingreefs.com/forums/sa...rium-articles/ You can use the search feature to narrow your "field".

Aquarium Fish: Tropical Freshwater Fish and Saltwater Fish for Home Aquariums While looking at rock, lighting, filters, etc. there will often times be links to articles on this site giving useful info on the particular group of items you are looking at.

Welcome to About.com I can't remember exactly how I found it, but this site has a ton of saltwater aquarium articles including a free email course called "Saltwater Aquariums 101".

I'm sorry I can't give you any direct answers, but I hope this helps you. Good Luck!!!!

[jhnrb]

welcome and I hope this helps:

http://www.livingreefs.com/forums/sa...r-aquaria.html

http://www.livingreefs.com/forums/sa...ers-guide.html

[yote]

You dont have to have the high dollar lights if youor just keeping fish. So what you alread have will do just fine.
I would either go ahead and add at least another 150 filter or maybe get an emp.400.
As far as your gravel,ill let some one with more experence answer that one.

[bobby]

Ok I'll try to answere these 1 at a time.
1.I would use new sand. Not old fresh water or play sand get it from your lfs. The reason for new sand from a lfs is it has certain stuff in it that will help buffer your water and keep the ph up.
2.For a fish only tank your regular strip lights will be fine.
3.Filtration can be just alot of live rock and a skimmer, you can add another if you want but if you add alot of rock and a good skimmer you'll be fine.
4.Water flow for a fish only tank is about 30 to 40 times the amount of water. Also the dimentions you gave is for a 50 gal. If its a 50 the flow should be from 1500 to 2000 gal per hour if 30 then 900 to 1200 gal per hour. On my 30 I have a little over 1200 gph. Note that the flow count anything that moves the water skimmers, filters, power heads ect.....
5.You can have a very nice tank with out a sump (the under tank filter) I dont have one on mine.
6.You do need good lighting for a reef, your choices are power compacts, t-5's, metal halides, vho's and I'm sure theres more. The best ones will be the metal halides then t-5s.

Before you start do a lot of research and reading then do more research and reading then do it over again. One of the biggest thing in this hobby is to be patient everything has to go slow to be sucsesfull. I suggest starting at the HELPFUL ARTICLES at the top of this page. Good luck keep us posted. When your done reading if you still have questions please post them.

[Bifferwine]

Hi and welcome. I agree with Bobby, you shouldn't use the gravel from your freshwater tank. Buffering capacity is very important in saltwater tanks, and freshwater gravel does not have the pH buffering capacity like sand specifically for saltwater tanks, like aragonite. I'd recommend buying aragonite and using that. Plus the bacterial communities in fresh vs. salt are very different, it's generally not a good idea to introduce stuff that belongs in freshwater to your system.

If you don't have the money for reef lighting right now, that's fine. Just stick with fish and other invertibrates (crabs, snails, shrimp, starfish) that don't need light for a while. They will keep you more than busy and entertained while you save up money and learn about how to keep more difficult animals like corals. Lights are probably the most expensive thing you will have to purchase for your tank, so it's better to make sure you are ready and can keep fish alive before you spend a lot of money on stuff like that.

I would just get a good protein skimmer instead of another penguin. If you have a good protein skimmer and live rock, then you don't really need any other type of filtration. Especially if your tank is not very heavily stocked.

I'd use two powerheads, one on each side of the tank. You can find good ones for less than $20. I like the MaxiJets.

You can definitely have a nice tank without tons of equipment, but you'll find that as you get more involved in the hobby you will constantly want to make your system better and upgrade it. You'll learn as you go and eventually you may want to add a sump and move your filtration equipment under the tank, but that's not necessary in the beginning.

You have a few options for reef lighting: PCs, T5s or Metal Halides. What your LFS quoted you is generally what they go for. I'd suggest starting with fish only for a while, make sure you can keep them alive and healthy, and then later on you can try your hand at corals when you have the money to buy the proper lighting, but for fish only, a fluorescent strip light is fine. A clownfish will be perfectly happy without an anemone or corals.

Hope this helped. Welcome again.

[Massey]

Thanks for the info guys!! I dont have time to look through it now but I will when I get home from work. I am glad that I dont have to buy alot of stuff to just have some in my tank. If I come up with any more ???s I will ask.

Massey

[Massey]

OK I have been doing some research and asking questions at my lfs and I have decided to not make a reef at this time but to start with some salty fish and see where that takes me. Here is my plan to date:

Crushed Coral for ground work with a little colored sand mixed in to add some color.

Some rocks to give my fish a place to play.

my filter is going to be a Marineland canister filter (the new kind) that is good up to 55 gallons (30 gallon tank)

I will prolly use some fake plants and maybe a sunken ship.

I want for fish a Clowfish or 2 and an anemone for them to play in. maybe a dorry ( yea I know Finding Nemo theme here :P ) there are a few fish that I like but I dont know their names blue body with yellow tail and a couple of others. I will find out if they will be OK together before I buy them.

A shrimp to help keep stuff clean. The one I want is red with a white stripe down its body.

This is the plan, what do ya all think.

Massey

[yote]

I wouldnt use the crushed coral,after 6 months itll look like crap.Within a month all the colored sand you put in will be under the crushed coral.
And a 30gal is way to small for Dorry.If I remember right,125 is the recommended minium those.

[Bifferwine]

Yote is right about the crushed coral. Substrate is not just for looks, it serves a purpose too. Aragonite sand is very good at buffering so you won't get huge pH swings. I would advise against using the colored sand as it does not have any buffering capacity.

You will have to keep the canister filter very clean, they can lead to algae problems, I'd recommend a protein skimmer instead.

Clownfish would be a great choice, but any kind of tang (like a Dorry) needs a much larger tank. They need to swim a lot.

If you are planning on getting an anemone, you will have to have the correct lighting for it, they require very high lighting, at least 8 watts per gallon. And they require very good water quality and stable water parameters, meaning you should wait at least 6 months after your tank is done cycling before adding an anemone. They don't do well in new tanks and are very difficult to keep. I would advise against getting an anemone.

The shrimp you are talking about is a cleaner shrimp, and they are very good additions to any tank. In order to keep a shrimp, you will have to keep your nitrates low (high nitrates can kill invertibrates like shrimp, especially). This might be difficult to maintain if you are using a canister filter and not a skimmer.

That's just my opinion, good luck!