Aquarists vs Marine Biologists

Discussion in 'Reef Fishes' started by J R-S, Mar 18, 2006.

  1. J R-S

    J R-S Guest

    According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an aquarium,
    in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.



    In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
    aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
    field.



    Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to by
    colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start bombarding me with
    obstacles since they had been doing things in a very profitable way and
    bringing common sense to the domain was going to encounter a lot of
    criticism.



    When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could bring
    hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too expensive.

    I started with a prototype of a saltwater aquarium and after 7 months
    running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
    hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is that
    common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those benefiting
    with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.



    I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a bio/mech
    filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and nitrites from
    the water without expensive investments or any stupid chemical at all.



    Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
    stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping system
    only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a year.



    If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you are
    getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can satisfy
    your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will be well
    spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean in your home
    for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist not to a
    custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask him/her if
    your system is cycling products and if there is an evident cybernetic use of
    nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest pet shop and bring a
    nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.



    jrs
     
    J R-S, Mar 18, 2006
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    Cindy Guest

    J R-S typed:
    > According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
    > aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.
    > In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
    > aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on
    > the field.
    > Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to
    > by colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start
    > bombarding me with obstacles since they had been doing things in a
    > very profitable way and bringing common sense to the domain was
    > going to encounter a lot of criticism.
    >
    > When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge
    > could bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but
    > find it too expensive.


    You can't bring much hope by making a lot of unsubstantiated claims. How's
    it going to help when you won't tell us how you're doing it?

    > I started with a prototype of a saltwater aquarium and after 7
    > months running it with no water changes and with inexpensive
    > equipment. My hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but
    > common sense. It is that common sense that sparked the criticism
    > of, whom else, but those benefiting with selling that expensive and
    > overrated set of gadgets.
    > I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
    > bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates
    > and nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any
    > stupid chemical at all.


    So what did you use and how did you do it?

    > Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new
    > system stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore
    > pumping system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2
    > water changes a year.


    Oh, it's going to be "in the market"? I assume then that you've made it a
    big secret because YOU want to make money off it. I get it.

    > If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits
    > you are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something,
    > you can satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the
    > money will be well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a
    > piece of ocean in your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes,
    > talk to a specialist not to a custodian. There will be a marine
    > bio close to your house, ask him/her if your system is cycling
    > products and if there is an evident cybernetic use of nutrients, if
    > that is not the case, go to your closest pet shop and bring a nice
    > checkbook with you, you'll need it.
    >
    >
    > jrs
     
    Cindy, Mar 18, 2006
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    Karl Guest

    "J R-S" <notgivingit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:fs%Sf.2892$36.681@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
    > According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an aquarium,
    > in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.



    Any REAL marine biologist would be thrilled with the fact that people are
    able to not only propagate fish but corals as well in a home aquarium
    thereby reducing and maybe even one day eliminating the need to collect wild
    specimens from the world's depleting reefs.You sir are both an asshole and a
    fraud.
     
    Karl, Mar 18, 2006
    #3
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    Wayne Sallee Guest

    J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 5:06 PM:
    > To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
    > field.


    Well then that leaves you out.

    You should have titled this thread "Aquarists vs Troll"
    because you are no marine biologist.

    Wayne Sallee
    Wayne's Pets
    Wayne@WaynesPets.com
     
    Wayne Sallee, Mar 18, 2006
    #4
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    Billy Guest

    "Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message
    news:441C8D0D.8030107@WayneSallee.com...
    >J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 5:06 PM:
    >> To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the field.

    >
    > Well then that leaves you out.
    >
    > You should have titled this thread "Aquarists vs Troll" because you
    > are no marine biologist.
    >



    For once, Wayne, we agree on something.
     
    Billy, Mar 18, 2006
    #5
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    Pszemol Guest

    "J R-S" <notgivingit@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:fs%Sf.2892$36.681@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
    > When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could bring
    > hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too expensive.


    The problem is that you do not try to share your field knowledge here.
    You make misleading comments (ie: ammonia should be there in the tank!)
    and claims not backed with any details or recreatable at home recipes.

    You arrived here just to heal your sick and weak ego, but you got
    hurt with (well deserved) criticism for your not-so-friendly aproach.
    Now you are crying about "establishment crushing your", complaining
    about high priced equipment, and... writing about introducing on the
    market a piece of equipment yourself. What is wrong with this picture ?

    > I started with a prototype of a saltwater aquarium and after 7 months
    > running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
    > hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is that
    > common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those benefiting
    > with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.


    Anybody with experience in keeping aquariums had a chance to see
    what you have done and confirmed it is something really special ?
    Because you have no experience yourself, so you do not know what
    is doable and what is not in our hobby.

    > I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a bio/mech
    > filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and nitrites from
    > the water without expensive investments or any stupid chemical at all.


    Cool! Then share your knowledge and experience if you care...
    If not - what is a TRUE reason you came here ?

    > Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
    > stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping system
    > only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a year.


    No skimmer or built in skimmer? When will you decide on facts?

    > If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you are
    > getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can satisfy
    > your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will be well
    > spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean in your home
    > for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist not to a
    > custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask him/her if
    > your system is cycling products and if there is an evident cybernetic use of
    > nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest pet shop and bring a
    > nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.


    And how fat of a checkbook should one have to get your magic filter ?
    BTW -
    have you given a name to your invention yet ? Think about an "algae scrubber".
    That would be pretty magical and for sure very original... ;-)
     
    Pszemol, Mar 18, 2006
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    J R-S Guest

    My dear Cindy;
    I came here not to brag about my scientific background, yet I did, I am
    sorry..
    I came here not to brag about my inexpensive filter yet I did, I am sorry...
    I came here not to publicize my invention yet I did, I am sorry...
    I built my system in a capitalistic society and it will be sold, I am
    sorry...
    I can't tell you how I did it because then I will have nothing to sell, I am
    sorry...
    If you think I am sorry, you most be a fool

    jrs
    "Cindy" <cinshep@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:hI%Sf.48383$F_3.8366@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
    >J R-S typed:
    >> According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
    >> aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.
    >> In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
    >> aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on
    >> the field.
    >> Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to
    >> by colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start
    >> bombarding me with obstacles since they had been doing things in a
    >> very profitable way and bringing common sense to the domain was
    >> going to encounter a lot of criticism.
    >>
    >> When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge
    >> could bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but
    >> find it too expensive.

    >
    > You can't bring much hope by making a lot of unsubstantiated claims.
    > How's it going to help when you won't tell us how you're doing it?
    >
    >> I started with a prototype of a saltwater aquarium and after 7
    >> months running it with no water changes and with inexpensive
    >> equipment. My hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but
    >> common sense. It is that common sense that sparked the criticism
    >> of, whom else, but those benefiting with selling that expensive and
    >> overrated set of gadgets.
    >> I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
    >> bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates
    >> and nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any
    >> stupid chemical at all.

    >
    > So what did you use and how did you do it?
    >
    >> Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new
    >> system stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore
    >> pumping system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2
    >> water changes a year.

    >
    > Oh, it's going to be "in the market"? I assume then that you've made it a
    > big secret because YOU want to make money off it. I get it.
    >
    >> If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits
    >> you are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something,
    >> you can satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the
    >> money will be well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a
    >> piece of ocean in your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes,
    >> talk to a specialist not to a custodian. There will be a marine
    >> bio close to your house, ask him/her if your system is cycling
    >> products and if there is an evident cybernetic use of nutrients, if
    >> that is not the case, go to your closest pet shop and bring a nice
    >> checkbook with you, you'll need it.
    >>
    >>
    >> jrs

    >
    >
    >
     
    J R-S, Mar 19, 2006
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    J R-S Guest

    yeah, yeah, yeah
    I may be all that, so what? if I am an asshole and a fraud, what does that
    make you?

    jrs
    "Karl" <no.spam@formeoru2> wrote in message
    news:i_%Sf.6436$sL2.4124@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
    >
    > "J R-S" <notgivingit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:fs%Sf.2892$36.681@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
    >> According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
    >> aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.

    >
    >
    > Any REAL marine biologist would be thrilled with the fact that people
    > are able to not only propagate fish but corals as well in a home aquarium
    > thereby reducing and maybe even one day eliminating the need to collect
    > wild specimens from the world's depleting reefs.You sir are both an
    > asshole and a fraud.
    >
     
    J R-S, Mar 19, 2006
    #8
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    J R-S Guest

    Maybe I am not, but maybe I am...
    lol, listen, I live in Orlando, maybe we can arrange a meeting to show you
    my display in a few months once the NO2 and PO4 are stable. At the same
    time you can see my publications and current work.
    Just for the hell of it son!

    jrs
    "Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message
    news:441C8D0D.8030107@WayneSallee.com...
    >J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 5:06 PM:
    >> To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the field.

    >
    > Well then that leaves you out.
    >
    > You should have titled this thread "Aquarists vs Troll" because you are no
    > marine biologist.
    >
    > Wayne Sallee
    > Wayne's Pets
    > Wayne@WaynesPets.com
     
    J R-S, Mar 19, 2006
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    J R-S Guest

    Apparently the focus of your attacks are agains me as a person, not against
    my findings. That is easily understood since I made a head-on attack to the
    establishment and to stupid conventionalities... I can understand that...
    Nevertheless, I am putting my invention on the line and already invited my
    worst attacker to see my tank in person. Yes, I live close to Wayne and
    after the design is stable, he and anyone else is welcome to see with your
    own eyes that the darn thing works!

    jrs

    jrs
    "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote in message
    news:dvhemr.1e8.1@poczta.onet.pl...
    > "J R-S" <notgivingit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:fs%Sf.2892$36.681@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
    >> When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could
    >> bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too
    >> expensive.

    >
    > The problem is that you do not try to share your field knowledge here.
    > You make misleading comments (ie: ammonia should be there in the tank!)
    > and claims not backed with any details or recreatable at home recipes.
    >
    > You arrived here just to heal your sick and weak ego, but you got
    > hurt with (well deserved) criticism for your not-so-friendly aproach.
    > Now you are crying about "establishment crushing your", complaining
    > about high priced equipment, and... writing about introducing on the
    > market a piece of equipment yourself. What is wrong with this picture ?
    >
    >> I started with a prototype of a saltwater aquarium and after 7 months
    >> running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
    >> hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is
    >> that common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those
    >> benefiting with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.

    >
    > Anybody with experience in keeping aquariums had a chance to see
    > what you have done and confirmed it is something really special ?
    > Because you have no experience yourself, so you do not know what
    > is doable and what is not in our hobby.
    >
    >> I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
    >> bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and
    >> nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any stupid
    >> chemical at all.

    >
    > Cool! Then share your knowledge and experience if you care...
    > If not - what is a TRUE reason you came here ?
    >
    >> Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
    >> stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping
    >> system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a
    >> year.

    >
    > No skimmer or built in skimmer? When will you decide on facts?
    >
    >> If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you
    >> are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can
    >> satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will be
    >> well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean in
    >> your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist not
    >> to a custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask
    >> him/her if your system is cycling products and if there is an evident
    >> cybernetic use of nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest
    >> pet shop and bring a nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.

    >
    > And how fat of a checkbook should one have to get your magic filter ?
    > BTW - have you given a name to your invention yet ? Think about an "algae
    > scrubber".
    > That would be pretty magical and for sure very original... ;-)
     
    J R-S, Mar 19, 2006
    #10
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    Pszemol Guest

    "J R-S" <notgivingit@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Dw3Tf.7741$zt1.798@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
    > Maybe I am not, but maybe I am...
    > lol, listen, I live in Orlando, maybe we can arrange a meeting to show you
    > my display in a few months once the NO2 and PO4 are stable. At the same
    > time you can see my publications and current work.
    > Just for the hell of it son!


    Can I ask for a list of your previous publications ?
    Maybe at least a list of journal titles ?
    It would be cool to read something you wrote about
    marine biology for a change... And it looks I will
    never see anything like this written by you here...
    So maybe you can list sci journal titles and volume
    numbers I can find your articles in the library ?
     
    Pszemol, Mar 19, 2006
    #11
  12. J R-S

    Pszemol Guest

    "J R-S" <notgivingit@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Zz3Tf.7744$zt1.7497@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
    > Apparently the focus of your attacks are agains me as a person, not against
    > my findings. That is easily understood since I made a head-on attack to the
    > establishment and to stupid conventionalities... I can understand that...


    You know this is BS. I asked you about your findings and you did not
    say anything. Then you behave like an asshole and you are very surprised
    people focus on you not on the findings you do not make public...

    > Nevertheless, I am putting my invention on the line and already invited my
    > worst attacker to see my tank in person. Yes, I live close to Wayne and
    > after the design is stable, he and anyone else is welcome to see with your
    > own eyes that the darn thing works!


    If your offer is real, you will post at least a list of your papers here
    for everybody to see how smart you are and how much your words are worth!
    Somehow I doubt this list will show up here... I do not know why ;-)
     
    Pszemol, Mar 19, 2006
    #12
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    Wayne Sallee Guest

    Oh, not in Pembroke Pines anymore :)

    Yea, your not very far away now.

    Wayne Sallee
    Wayne's Pets
    Wayne@WaynesPets.com


    J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 9:43 PM:
    > Maybe I am not, but maybe I am...
    > lol, listen, I live in Orlando, maybe we can arrange a meeting to show you
    > my display in a few months once the NO2 and PO4 are stable. At the same
    > time you can see my publications and current work.
    > Just for the hell of it son!
    >
    > jrs
    > "Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message
    > news:441C8D0D.8030107@WayneSallee.com...
    >> J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 5:06 PM:
    >>> To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the field.

    >> Well then that leaves you out.
    >>
    >> You should have titled this thread "Aquarists vs Troll" because you are no
    >> marine biologist.
    >>
    >> Wayne Sallee
    >> Wayne's Pets
    >> Wayne@WaynesPets.com

    >
    >
     
    Wayne Sallee, Mar 19, 2006
    #13
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    TheRock Guest

    People, In Internet explorers News Reader there is an option to
    block sender...Use it

    J R-S
    Aside from you being an antagonist to some in this group
    we all have professional careers as well. For instance, I am a
    Mechanical Engineer. So for you to continually come here and insult our
    intelligence is getting old.

    Your friends say you'll piss off the "establishment". I think you're doing
    a fine job
    at pissing everyone off. Instead of participating and sharing experiences
    you are dictating and putting people down. I'd say drop the attitude and
    participate and people might end up liking you.

    You certainly have something to offer this group, just don't have to be so
    condescending.

    I work with a few higher level engineers that could be management but they
    never will
    because they have ZERO people skills. Be a politician, be polite and
    people will be more accepting. When I first came to this group
    I knew who had the big heads and who didn't...the last thing you do is
    charge in
    kamikaze style and butt heads.

    So your marine bio degree means nothing here if nobody listens to you.

    Think...



    "J R-S" <notgivingit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:fs%Sf.2892$36.681@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
    > According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an aquarium,
    > in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.
    >
    >
    >
    > In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
    > aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
    > field.
    >
    >
    >
    > Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to by
    > colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start bombarding me
    > with obstacles since they had been doing things in a very profitable way
    > and bringing common sense to the domain was going to encounter a lot of
    > criticism.
    >
    >
    >
    > When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could bring
    > hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too
    > expensive.
    >
    > I started with a prototype of a saltwater aquarium and after 7 months
    > running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
    > hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is
    > that common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those
    > benefiting with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.
    >
    >
    >
    > I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
    > bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and
    > nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any stupid
    > chemical at all.
    >
    >
    >
    > Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
    > stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping system
    > only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a year.
    >
    >
    >
    > If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you are
    > getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can
    > satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will be
    > well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean in
    > your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist not
    > to a custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask
    > him/her if your system is cycling products and if there is an evident
    > cybernetic use of nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest
    > pet shop and bring a nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.
    >
    >
    >
    > jrs
    >
    >
     
    TheRock, Mar 19, 2006
    #14
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    TheRock Guest

    Re: Aquarists vs Marine Biologists...troll alert

    In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive
    messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt
    discussion or to upset its participants (see Anonymous Internet posting).

    For many people, the characterising feature of trolling is the perception of
    intent to disrupt a community in some way. Inflammatory, sarcastic,
    disruptive or humorous content is posted, meant to draw other users into
    engaging the troll in a fruitless confrontation. The greater the reaction
    from the community the more likely the user is to troll again, as the person
    develops beliefs that certain actions achieve his/her goal to cause chaos.
    This gives rise to the often repeated protocol in Internet culture: "Do not
    feed the trolls."

    Often, a person will post a sincere message about which he is emotionally
    sensitive. Skillful trolls know that an easy way to upset him is to
    disingenuously claim that he is a "troll." On other occasions, a person may
    not instantly understand, or fit into the social norms of a forum where most
    users have similar characteristics. As a result, his acting just slightly
    out of the norm (often unintentionally, and for legitimate reasons) garners
    him the label "troll." It can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between
    a user who merely has different values, views or ideas, and a user who is
    intentionally trolling; unfortunately, many users react aggressively on
    first impression of a perceived troll, which sometimes leads disgruntled
    newbies or political minorities to be perceived as trolls.


    Go here to read more !
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll



    "J R-S" <notgivingit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:fs%Sf.2892$36.681@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
    > According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an aquarium,
    > in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.
    >
    >
    >
    > In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
    > aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
    > field.
    >
    >
    >
    > Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to by
    > colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start bombarding me
    > with obstacles since they had been doing things in a very profitable way
    > and bringing common sense to the domain was going to encounter a lot of
    > criticism.
    >
    >
    >
    > When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could bring
    > hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too
    > expensive.
    >
    > I started with a prototype of a saltwater aquarium and after 7 months
    > running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
    > hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is
    > that common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those
    > benefiting with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.
    >
    >
    >
    > I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
    > bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and
    > nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any stupid
    > chemical at all.
    >
    >
    >
    > Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
    > stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping system
    > only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a year.
    >
    >
    >
    > If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you are
    > getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can
    > satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will be
    > well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean in
    > your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist not
    > to a custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask
    > him/her if your system is cycling products and if there is an evident
    > cybernetic use of nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest
    > pet shop and bring a nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.
    >
    >
    >
    > jrs
    >
    >
     
    TheRock, Mar 19, 2006
    #15
  16. J R-S

    J R-S Guest

    lol
    "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote in message
    news:dvht1t.1io.1@poczta.onet.pl...
    > "J R-S" <notgivingit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:Dw3Tf.7741$zt1.798@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
    >> Maybe I am not, but maybe I am...
    >> lol, listen, I live in Orlando, maybe we can arrange a meeting to show
    >> you my display in a few months once the NO2 and PO4 are stable. At the
    >> same time you can see my publications and current work.
    >> Just for the hell of it son!

    >
    > Can I ask for a list of your previous publications ?
    > Maybe at least a list of journal titles ?
    > It would be cool to read something you wrote about marine biology for a
    > change... And it looks I will
    > never see anything like this written by you here...
    > So maybe you can list sci journal titles and volume
    > numbers I can find your articles in the library ?
     
    J R-S, Mar 19, 2006
    #16
  17. J R-S

    J R-S Guest

    have a nice day amigo
    jrs
    "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote in message
    news:dvht75.3c8.1@poczta.onet.pl...
    > "J R-S" <notgivingit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:Zz3Tf.7744$zt1.7497@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
    >> Apparently the focus of your attacks are agains me as a person, not
    >> against my findings. That is easily understood since I made a head-on
    >> attack to the establishment and to stupid conventionalities... I can
    >> understand that...

    >
    > You know this is BS. I asked you about your findings and you did not
    > say anything. Then you behave like an asshole and you are very surprised
    > people focus on you not on the findings you do not make public...
    >
    >> Nevertheless, I am putting my invention on the line and already invited
    >> my worst attacker to see my tank in person. Yes, I live close to Wayne
    >> and after the design is stable, he and anyone else is welcome to see with
    >> your own eyes that the darn thing works!

    >
    > If your offer is real, you will post at least a list of your papers here
    > for everybody to see how smart you are and how much your words are worth!
    > Somehow I doubt this list will show up here... I do not know why ;-)
     
    J R-S, Mar 19, 2006
    #17
  18. J R-S

    J R-S Guest

    First of all, I am sorry but, how did I insult your intelligence?
    All I've gotten in this group is insult after insult just because I dare to
    break from the main stream. Talking about trolls, yeah right!
    Second of all, to be able to insult something, that something has to exist!
    take it whichever way you want.
    jrs
    "TheRock" <none@none.com> wrote in message
    news:LydTf.1304$3t1.52@trndny08...
    > People, In Internet explorers News Reader there is an option to
    > block sender...Use it
    >
    > J R-S
    > Aside from you being an antagonist to some in this group
    > we all have professional careers as well. For instance, I am a
    > Mechanical Engineer. So for you to continually come here and insult our
    > intelligence is getting old.
    >
    > Your friends say you'll piss off the "establishment". I think you're
    > doing a fine job
    > at pissing everyone off. Instead of participating and sharing experiences
    > you are dictating and putting people down. I'd say drop the attitude and
    > participate and people might end up liking you.
    >
    > You certainly have something to offer this group, just don't have to be so
    > condescending.
    >
    > I work with a few higher level engineers that could be management but they
    > never will
    > because they have ZERO people skills. Be a politician, be polite and
    > people will be more accepting. When I first came to this group
    > I knew who had the big heads and who didn't...the last thing you do is
    > charge in
    > kamikaze style and butt heads.
    >
    > So your marine bio degree means nothing here if nobody listens to you.
    >
    > Think...
    >
    >
    >
    > "J R-S" <notgivingit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:fs%Sf.2892$36.681@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
    >> According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
    >> aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
    >> aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
    >> field.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to by
    >> colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start bombarding me
    >> with obstacles since they had been doing things in a very profitable way
    >> and bringing common sense to the domain was going to encounter a lot of
    >> criticism.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could
    >> bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too
    >> expensive.
    >>
    >> I started with a prototype of a saltwater aquarium and after 7 months
    >> running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
    >> hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is
    >> that common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those
    >> benefiting with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
    >> bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and
    >> nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any stupid
    >> chemical at all.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
    >> stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping
    >> system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a
    >> year.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you
    >> are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can
    >> satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will be
    >> well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean in
    >> your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist not
    >> to a custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask
    >> him/her if your system is cycling products and if there is an evident
    >> cybernetic use of nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest
    >> pet shop and bring a nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> jrs
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
     
    J R-S, Mar 19, 2006
    #18
  19. J R-S

    TheRock Guest

    This is what I'm talking about. I can see making friends is tough for you.
    So think about what I said. You can think somebody lacks intel, but you
    don't need to say it.
    You never insulted me, but people are spending more time arguing with you
    than
    using this group for what it's for. Helping and sharing experiences.

    Like I said you have posted some interesting comments, work on your
    approach.
    I will, as most people, appreciate good feedback and ideas.

    Maybe News Groups aren't for you.
    Perhaps you should be writing articles for http://www.advancedaquarist.com/
    or some other online magazine.

    Be nice, not all of us get to live on a tropical island.
    Some of us live in bum-**** North East freezing cold places.

    later




    "J R-S" <notgivingit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:iEeTf.2162$Ef2.2056@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
    > First of all, I am sorry but, how did I insult your intelligence?
    > All I've gotten in this group is insult after insult just because I dare
    > to break from the main stream. Talking about trolls, yeah right!
    > Second of all, to be able to insult something, that something has to
    > exist! take it whichever way you want.
    > jrs
    > "TheRock" <none@none.com> wrote in message
    > news:LydTf.1304$3t1.52@trndny08...
    >> People, In Internet explorers News Reader there is an option to
    >> block sender...Use it
    >>
    >> J R-S
    >> Aside from you being an antagonist to some in this group
    >> we all have professional careers as well. For instance, I am a
    >> Mechanical Engineer. So for you to continually come here and insult our
    >> intelligence is getting old.
    >>
    >> Your friends say you'll piss off the "establishment". I think you're
    >> doing a fine job
    >> at pissing everyone off. Instead of participating and sharing
    >> experiences
    >> you are dictating and putting people down. I'd say drop the attitude and
    >> participate and people might end up liking you.
    >>
    >> You certainly have something to offer this group, just don't have to be
    >> so condescending.
    >>
    >> I work with a few higher level engineers that could be management but
    >> they never will
    >> because they have ZERO people skills. Be a politician, be polite and
    >> people will be more accepting. When I first came to this group
    >> I knew who had the big heads and who didn't...the last thing you do is
    >> charge in
    >> kamikaze style and butt heads.
    >>
    >> So your marine bio degree means nothing here if nobody listens to you.
    >>
    >> Think...
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "J R-S" <notgivingit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:fs%Sf.2892$36.681@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
    >>> According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
    >>> aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
    >>> aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
    >>> field.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to by
    >>> colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start bombarding me
    >>> with obstacles since they had been doing things in a very profitable way
    >>> and bringing common sense to the domain was going to encounter a lot of
    >>> criticism.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could
    >>> bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too
    >>> expensive.
    >>>
    >>> I started with a prototype of a saltwater aquarium and after 7 months
    >>> running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
    >>> hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is
    >>> that common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those
    >>> benefiting with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
    >>> bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and
    >>> nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any stupid
    >>> chemical at all.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
    >>> stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping
    >>> system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a
    >>> year.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you
    >>> are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can
    >>> satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will
    >>> be well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean
    >>> in your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist
    >>> not to a custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask
    >>> him/her if your system is cycling products and if there is an evident
    >>> cybernetic use of nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest
    >>> pet shop and bring a nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> jrs
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
     
    TheRock, Mar 19, 2006
    #19
  20. J R-S

    Don Geddis Guest

    "J R-S" <notgivingit@hotmail.com> wrote on Sun, 19 Mar 2006:
    > All I've gotten in this group is insult after insult just because I dare to
    > break from the main stream.


    You're confused about the reason.

    People here actually like "breaking from the mainstream". For example, it
    was interesting when Ron Shimek (and others) started suggesting the benefits
    of keeping a Deep Sand Bed in a reef aquarium. That's a relatively new
    suggestion in the hobby. Ron provided lots of data, analysis, suggestions,
    keep tons of successful tanks himself, wrote (and published) scientific
    articles in marine biology journals, etc. All good stuff. No negative
    reaction from "the establishment".

    On the other hand, you've received "insult after insult" because you're
    an asshole, not because you "dare" to break from the mainstream.

    Lots of people have explained to you why, starting from the insulting tone
    of your own messages, to your arguments from authority ("I'm a marine
    biologist"), to your premature claims of success ("this is a better idea ...
    or will be in a few months when everything settles down"), to your claims of
    secret knowledge that somehow we're all too silly to adopt, yet you won't
    actually reveal even the slightest detail.

    This is why you're being insulted. Because you're an idiot.

    However, plenty of nice, intelligent people have suggested new methodologies
    for reef aquariums, and been welcomed with open arms. The difference in
    your case is ... you.

    -- Don
    _______________________________________________________________________________
    Don Geddis don@geddis.org http://reef.geddis.org/
    We like to praise birds for flying. But how much of it is actually flying, and
    how much of it is just sort of coasting from the previous flap?
    -- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey
     
    Don Geddis, Mar 19, 2006
    #20
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