DIY Sump Design - HELP!!

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  1. john

    john Guest

    I have been running a 'Ratz' Trickle Filter/Sump system for 12 months and am
    unhappy with performance. It is a 100 gallon tank with 60kg of Living Rock
    running for 10 months now. Low stocking density but I still struggle to
    control hair algae and water quality will not support an anemone (lost 4 to
    date) but all else surviving ok. PH=8.2-8.4, Ammonia=0, Nitrite=0,
    Nitrate=5-10mg/l, Phos=0, KH=8-12, CA=420-450, Mg=1250-1350, Salinity=37ppt,
    Temp=26-28DegC

    I think my flow rates are low and nitrates are hard to control. I like the
    idea of a refugium area in the sump to grow some caulpera under 24 hour
    lighting. Don't know whether I should use a DSB or try using 'Miracle Mud'
    ... any comments/suggestions would be appreciated as I want to get it right
    this time!

    I was planning to buy the glass and fabricate my own sump with a refugium.
    Would like to also increase flow rate to/from tank from current 2000 l/hr to
    around 3500 l/hr.

    Can you point me in the direction of any good sump design data - Eg Flow
    Rates over Refugium section, Wier Heights, Use of Combs, microbubble
    elimination, light mounting, etc. There must be some best practice
    guidelines somewhere .. I can't find any that I could depend on!

    Could also do with some tips on plumbing for the best flow. Is it viable to
    use 2 smaller pumps to feed the tank? (in case one fails when I'm out). My
    tank is 5ft long with 20" of width available under the stand - hopefully
    plenty of room. Is it a case of the bigger the sump the better?

    John C
     
    john, Sep 29, 2004
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  2. john

    CapFusion Guest

    "john" <john@peachwood.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:415acea3$0$82272$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...
    > I have been running a 'Ratz' Trickle Filter/Sump system for 12 months and

    am
    > unhappy with performance. It is a 100 gallon tank with 60kg of Living Rock
    > running for 10 months now. Low stocking density but I still struggle to
    > control hair algae and water quality will not support an anemone (lost 4

    to
    > date) but all else surviving ok. PH=8.2-8.4, Ammonia=0, Nitrite=0,
    > Nitrate=5-10mg/l, Phos=0, KH=8-12, CA=420-450, Mg=1250-1350,

    Salinity=37ppt,
    > Temp=26-28DegC
    >
    > I think my flow rates are low and nitrates are hard to control. I like the
    > idea of a refugium area in the sump to grow some caulpera under 24 hour
    > lighting. Don't know whether I should use a DSB or try using 'Miracle Mud'
    > .. any comments/suggestions would be appreciated as I want to get it right
    > this time!
    >
    > I was planning to buy the glass and fabricate my own sump with a refugium.
    > Would like to also increase flow rate to/from tank from current 2000 l/hr

    to
    > around 3500 l/hr.
    >
    > Can you point me in the direction of any good sump design data - Eg Flow
    > Rates over Refugium section, Wier Heights, Use of Combs, microbubble
    > elimination, light mounting, etc. There must be some best practice
    > guidelines somewhere .. I can't find any that I could depend on!
    >
    > Could also do with some tips on plumbing for the best flow. Is it viable

    to
    > use 2 smaller pumps to feed the tank? (in case one fails when I'm out). My
    > tank is 5ft long with 20" of width available under the stand - hopefully
    > plenty of room. Is it a case of the bigger the sump the better?
    >
    > John C
    >


    Please goto King Marc ...Oops... I meant Mr.President King Marc site -
    http://www.melevsreef.com/links.html
    This where you can see the DIY Sump and Algae suggestion.

    CapFusion,...
     
    CapFusion, Sep 29, 2004
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  3. john

    John Guest

    John, Sep 29, 2004
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  4. Hi John,

    Two people pointed you to my site thus far.

    You've lost 4 anemones so far. What kind? You didn't state
    your lighting, and that could be a problem.

    Regarding a return pump, if you use a (Supreme) Mag pump,
    whatever the diameter of the pumps outlet is, double it for
    your plumbing to get the best flow. This is stated in their
    instructions, btw. So if you had a Mag 7 with 1/2" outlet,
    you'd use 1" plumbing for your return.

    You don't need two pumps to run your return, but if you buy
    two, you'll have a backup when one does break.

    Here's the first/main page you should read:
    http://www.melevsreef.com/what_sump.html

    There are three articles linked on the base of that page
    that you should read as well.

    Then design something that will work for you. My site will
    give you a few ideas you can play with.

    Marc


    john wrote:

    > I have been running a 'Ratz' Trickle Filter/Sump system for 12 months and am
    > unhappy with performance. It is a 100 gallon tank with 60kg of Living Rock
    > running for 10 months now. Low stocking density but I still struggle to
    > control hair algae and water quality will not support an anemone (lost 4 to
    > date) but all else surviving ok. PH=8.2-8.4, Ammonia=0, Nitrite=0,
    > Nitrate=5-10mg/l, Phos=0, KH=8-12, CA=420-450, Mg=1250-1350, Salinity=37ppt,
    > Temp=26-28DegC
    >
    > I think my flow rates are low and nitrates are hard to control. I like the
    > idea of a refugium area in the sump to grow some caulpera under 24 hour
    > lighting. Don't know whether I should use a DSB or try using 'Miracle Mud'
    > .. any comments/suggestions would be appreciated as I want to get it right
    > this time!
    >
    > I was planning to buy the glass and fabricate my own sump with a refugium.
    > Would like to also increase flow rate to/from tank from current 2000 l/hr to
    > around 3500 l/hr.
    >
    > Can you point me in the direction of any good sump design data - Eg Flow
    > Rates over Refugium section, Wier Heights, Use of Combs, microbubble
    > elimination, light mounting, etc. There must be some best practice
    > guidelines somewhere .. I can't find any that I could depend on!
    >
    > Could also do with some tips on plumbing for the best flow. Is it viable to
    > use 2 smaller pumps to feed the tank? (in case one fails when I'm out). My
    > tank is 5ft long with 20" of width available under the stand - hopefully
    > plenty of room. Is it a case of the bigger the sump the better?
    >
    > John C
    >
    >


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    Marc Levenson, Sep 30, 2004
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