How many watts per Gallon do I need

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    to keep an anonome?
     
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    At least 4 watts per gallon
     
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    can lps and sps handle that light? Well I know sps can, but will the lps be alright?
     
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    if something takes less light, then just put it lower in the tank, or perhaps under an overhang that you create with your rockwork... that way you can keep a whole range of light dependant life in the same tank....

    just as a point of reference, i'm building my new canopy, its gonna have 8 t5 bulbs in there, 54w each for a total of 432W and i have a 75gal tank, so thats 5.75W/G....
     
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    you want more than 4w per gallon that is on the low side but it also depends on the kind of lights you have i would shoot for at least 6w per gallon
     
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    Daugherty is right. 4w per gallon is a minimum for soft corals such as mushrooms and zoas. Most LPS will do okay under 4w per gallon - and many don't like super bright lights at all.

    SPS, clams and anenomes require the most light. I'd shoot for 6w per gallon at a MINIMUM is thats the type of corals you plan to keep. 7w or 8w per gallon would be better IMHO.

    But if you put 7w per gallon over mushrooms, LPS and zoas - they'll just bleach out and die. So you kinda have to decide what kind of tank you're going to build. You want a low light tank full of shrooms, polyps and LPS? Or you want a high light tank with SPS, clams and anenomes? It is possible to do all corals in a bright tank, but NOT the other way around. You can't do SPS, clams and anenomes in a low light tank. They'll slowly die.

    If you decide to go for big light value, I don't think you'll ever be happy with the colors you see in your zoas, mushrooms LPS and other low light corals. You can keep them alive, but they won't be as colorful under such intense lighting. I know this from personal experience. I used to have a 10g frag tank with 78w of PC lighting. Thats 7.8w per gallon of PC lights. Most people poo-poo PC lights as under powered and a waste of money. I'll tell ya what, I watched all my zoas and mushrooms bleach out to pale brown colors under that kind of PC lighting. And thats with only (2) 10k bulbs and the other (4) bulbs were either actinic or 460nm (purple!). Those lights should have given me the most beautiful colors in the world, but it was SOOOO bright in there the corals bleached anyway. I ended up using my frag racks to shade corals and actually took out the 10k bulbs for a long time. Noticed a HUGE improvement in colors after just a month or maybe 6 weeks when I reduced the light.

    I guess what I'm getting at -- it is possible to have too much light on certain types of corals. I've decided not to fight mother nature. I run low to medium light tanks and I keep LPS, mushrooms and zoas. Yote is the SPS expert - and yes, you DO need sunglasses and SPF 30 to view his tank. :mrgreen:

    If I was you, I'd pick one now and run in that direction. It's very difficult to keep a mixed tank under just one type of lights - it'll always be too bright for some corals and not bright enough for your anenome and clams. My personal opinion is anenomes are tank killers and I'll NEVER have one. My clown can host in the palythoa polyps or in a clay pot. He's dumb as a box of cracker jacks anyway.

    If that anenome in your tank ever gets "restless" and decides to go on walkabout in your tank - you can kiss all the rest of your corals g'bye. Ask Yote about that one. I think he had an anenome that walked around and killed a few thousand $$$ worth of SPS corals one time.
     
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    +1 james & RC

    Def a lot more than 4 watts per gal. Id shoot for at least 8-10 watts per gal

    Also, consider all the risks involved with owning an anemone...
     
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    ROFL I love "dumb" analogies like that :bounce: That's up there w/ "He's dumber than a bag of hammers" from "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?" LOL
     
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    Not along the lines of "dumber" but I like these:

    She's uglier than a mud fence

    That looks like a box car full of smashed arseholes

    That looks like a hundred miles of bad road

    He's about as sharp as a bowling ball

    He's so dumb, if ya took all his brain cells out and rolled them down the sharp edge of a razor blade it would look like 2 BB's rolling down a 4-lane highway

    He's only got 3 brain cells. One for his stomach. One for his weenie. And one back-up in case either of the other two has a catastrophic failure.

    GOBBLE GOBBLE!! Happy Turkey Day!! And Happy Tofurkey Day to Biff! :Cheers:
     
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    I think I will stick with mushrooms, zoas, and lps. Plus there are lps that look like anonomes.
     
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    Didn't mean to frighten you off Eli. :mrgreen:
     
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    Rcs right about the sunglasses and SPF 30.I caught my wife tanning in front of my tank once:mrgreen:
    He's right about the lighting too.Its one of those things that you've got to be careful with when you start stocking corals.I've learned the hard way,that I've got to much light for a lot of the softies.But I'm only burning 3X 250 watt HQI 14Ks and 8X 39 watt T-5s.And EVERYTHING has to be started on the sand and under an overhang where its shaded.Then I just hope for the best when I start moving them up.
     
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    So for what I want to do is 3 to 4 watts ok?
     
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    Three to four is OK for most soft corals and most LPS corals. I do want to add that WPG is a very vague guideline. Today terms like Par and intensity are more important than WPG. Lighting systems like MH`s and T5`s with more intensity are better than PC`s and VHO`s that dont have as much even though I have VHO`s. I use the WPG sometimes but only as a broad guideline.
     
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    Well I want t-5's. But I want brain coral, hammer coral, frogspawn, zoas, maybe torch, and some leathers or mushrooms.
     
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    I know there are more I can't think of at the moment.
     
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    bubble coral.
     
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    not sure what this is.

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    I also agree PAR and Lumens are much more important to our tanks than watts. But agree whole heartedly that WPG is a good, BROAD guideline.

    T5 is a great way to go. Put 3 or 4 bulbs on it, mix it up with a couple 10k or 12k bubs and at least one actinic. Maybe a 14k and a 460nm?
     
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    What do you think of my coral selection?
     
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