How to overstock FOWLR/FOT

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    duncantse

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    This is how you overstock your FOWLR/FOT

    1. Put very minimum rocks to no rocks. For example, a 20 gallon tank you can put max of 10 lbs of rocks. This is to ensure the swimming space of the fish.

    2.Put lots of ceramic rings/live rock rubble/biofilter media/etc. This is to be sure that you have enough beneficial bacteria in your tank.

    3. Get lots of surface agitation so your fish will have enough oxygen exchange.

    4. Specific gravity=1.018 so the fish will breath easier.

    If you do all this, you can easily house half of the fish of your tank or more. Example: 10 gallon= 5 fish. 20gallon=10 fish. 30gallon=15 fish.

    I know some people may think this is impossible or that were killing the fish this way well... here's some proof.

    FishLibrary@Org - ???? - ??
    This is a hong kong forum for FOT tanks. If you can't read chinese, look at the pics or use dictionary translator.


    Hong Kong has been doing this for years and years and the fish has been living happily.


    Here's another example:
    The Ultimate SW Angel Tank
     
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    little_fish Moderator

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    You are missing a hugely important point, the fish dont like to be crammed up against one another. We like that look, the fish dont.

    The fish are going to be super unhealthy because they are extremely stressed out and there is no place for them to retreat because you took out all the live rock.

    Ya, a few people are going to get lucky with this, there are alway a few, but the vast majority are going to kill off more fish than they keep.

    This is stupid and cruel IMO
     
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    How can you tell if your fish are happy or not? I have a friend that kept an angelfish tank for 10 years with no loss. I know a lot of people in China that have successfully kept this kind of tank for more than 20 years.
     
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    SeaBee Ha Ha Thats Funny!

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    Got any info on how to overstock corals?? I'd much rather do that!
     
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    LOL! Lemme research that for you.
     
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    SeaBee Ha Ha Thats Funny!

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    I dont think to many people on here are going to want to know how to torture their fish my friend. So I wouldnt push the issue ....

    Besides, whats your point?
     
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    I smell a troll...
     
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    How am I a troll if thousands of people are doing this in China. I grew up in Hong Kong so I owned one of these tanks before and know a lot of people that do this.
     
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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    Simply keeping fish in a tank isn't in and of itself considered "successful". How long do the fish you are talking about really live? I have had many of my fish for 11 years now. I'm pretty sure that if I had followed your stocking rules, they wouldn't have lasted longer than a year. None of your points address the issue of territoriality -- too many saltwater fish crammed into a small space tend to fight with each other, often til the death. No matter how good your water quality, you can't eliminate fish fighting with each other in an overstocked tank.
     
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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    Let's not try and hold China up as a country to emulate when it comes to hobbies involving live animals, now. China has an abysmal record when it comes to its treatment of animals. Thousands of people may be doing this in China, but thousands of people in China also use live baby turtles as key chains, and replace them when they die after a few days.

    You saying "people do this in China" in no way means that what they are doing is good for the animals, or good for the hobby. Intentionally overstocking a tank is cruel, and it doesn't matter how many Chinese believe otherwise.
     
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    Delete. Double Post.
     
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    If you don't try, how would you know?
     
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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    I have been in this hobby for a while now. I have seen many people try to overstock their tank. 99% of the time, it ends up with me reading about a bunch of dead fish. ;)
     
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    Everytime I think of overstocking I just look at Nemo's thread where he tried to add one more fish. Dead fish in a couple seconds.
     
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    This thread should be titled "What NOT to do in a SW aquarium".
     
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    These tanks look like selling tanks at the LFS to me...
     
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    +1 Biff.
     
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    Id like to pull some quotes from the article you linked to:


    Also, that tank was only set up for 8 months, that is a pathetically short amount of time. Not nearly long enough to be remotely considered a success.

    Also they recommend lots of live rock, which is in direct conflict with what you first posted.
     
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    PRC Stop Quoting Me!

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    I see your 50 fish in a tiny tank and raise you 1 horse in a car. And the horse loves eating cows! Because that's perfectly natural for a horse....You see back before we domesticated them, horses were known as Saber Tooth Ponies. Very dangerous animals...

    I think you get my point.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PErFJsqbUqo]YouTube - Car riding horse ! yes that's what it says[/ame]
     
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