I need Advice Please

diverbradrude

Reefing newb
:whoopee!:Hello everyone my name is Brad. I just got back into reefing after a 10 year break. Wow technology has changed! This time i want to start completely from scratch. With dry rock. Id like to have a 90-150 gal reef tank and a fairly large frag tank all on the same 40-60 gal refuge. Also after I'm up and running I would like to be able to sell RO/DI water, Pre-mixed saltwater, and Live Rock.

To start, all of this will be contained in 2 - 45 gal Rubbermaid Brute garbage cans (one for DO/DI freshwater storage/top offs, and the other for curing and cycling my dry rock) outside but covered and out of the sun. I've purified my water with a Bulk Reef Supply 4 Stage RO/DI system. Added the appropriate amount of Instant Ocean Sea Salt Mix (SG 1.023) to my saltwater can. There is 25lbs of BRS Reefsaver EcoRok inside the saltwater can curing since 2/22/13. One powerhead churning the water. One heater to keep the temp around 75 degrees on colder nights (I read that a lower temp is optimal for curing and cycling). I added one of those lil hanging ammonia level monitors to be able to frequently check the water during cycles without having to bust out the test kit so often, and have a baby thermo dangeling with is to assure that the heater is running properly.

My Questions:
#1: What is the best way to introduce the correct bacteria to the saltwater and cured dry rock to start this cycle? I have hurd of people adding raw shrimp and fish, or Janatorial Strength Ammonia to the tank to kick start the process. Obviously some form of carbon filtering must be necessary to keep the smell down during decomposition. Im trying to avoid adding already live rock and sand but if its the best way to go its what in going to do.

#2: Should I be running a protein skimmer during this time? Wasn't sure if this would remove stuff that the system will need to promote good algae growth.


After my rocks have cycled and stable Im moving all this over to an aquarium changing 100% of the water for fresh saltwater. At this point Im going to start the refuge.

Any tips or info will help guys!! Thanks for reading.....-Brad
 
2. Yes run protein skimmer..
1. Add unseasones, unbaked (completley raw) shrimp, or a dead fish... Well, something that will disolve and create ammonia...

But why...why, my friend, You go with dry rock instead of live rock? live rock, is just so much more fun...:( Fan worms, featherdusters, bad crabs and worms, amhipods, copepods, coraline algea)....
 
The Ammonia will work and less smell. Just make sure it's PURE. If you shake no bubbles. Ace hard well sells good stiff. I've used it for all my fresh and salt water tanks.
 
Never do a 100% water change, that's ridiculous an unnecessary. Why not just cycle the tank right in the tank and avoid the trouble of moving everything over?

The shrimp will kick start the cycle by adding ammonia to the tank as it begins to break down, but you'll want a small piece of LIVE rock to get the bacteria cultures that you want....otherwise, you could be waiting a really long time with high ammonia water.
 
If you are insistent about now using live rock and want to seed bacteria then you could try Microbacter7. It worked very well for me, but I also had alot of live rock. They have Youtube videos online explaining how the stuff works. It is not a fix all but it can help the seeding process.
 
Microbacter7 is a good product. I still recommend a small piece of live rock but M7 is fanstastic for biodiversity. Leave the skimmer off for awhile when you put it in.
 
Welcome aboard, Brad! Cycling with a small piece of raw shrimp will do the trick and you can remove anything that's still decomposing if you notice a smell or start seeing your ammonia and then nitrites rise. I also feel that a 100% WC after cycling is unnecessary. Just change enough to get your nitrates down and you're good to go. Starting with dry rock is fine but may take extra cycling time. The diversity in live rock can be fun but it can also be a pain if you get any pests like aiptasia or flatworms. I also restarted this hobby almost a year ago after a ten year break. I've learned so much more this time thanks to the forum. :)
 
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