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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    I thought this was a good quote from her surgeon:
    "Tucson is actually, for a trauma surgeon, very embarrassing and pathetic because violence is almost nonexistent," he said. "I know everyone in the country thinks World War III is going on in Arizona, but it's probably still the nicest place I can think of to live."

    Re: the insanity plea. Some lawyers that have been weighing in are saying it will be pretty difficult to plead insanity, since it looks like he planned it. Planning and foresight is one of the biggest giveaways that someone is competent. He had written down his plans, so that right there makes it very hard to say he was legally insane.

    Re: the angels. I signed up to volunteer at the funeral on Thursday. I've been getting email updates about it, and the plans. The State Legislature is expected to pass a new law today barring protesters from coming within 300 feet of funerals, in anticipation of the WBC coming to these services. But the church, family and police are still asking for peaceful volunteers to come and line the street where the WBC will be, so that the family doesn't have to see them or hear them as they go by. No signs are allowed, no speaking is allowed -- it is not to become a spectacle. The volunteers are to simply act as a barrier.
     
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    PRC Stop Quoting Me!

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    You have to be a vegetable for the Feds to find you mentally incompetent. If you know your name, your right side from your left side, and whether it's day or night...You're getting convicted. The Feds have between a 95-98% conviction rate..1-2 % beats them in court, the other 1-2% dies before they make it to trial.
     
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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    Even if he is found mentally incompetent, he will spend the rest of his life locked up. That's all that matters to me.
     
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    Are you suggesting that the Federal criminal system is unfair or just pointing out statistics?
     
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    PRC Stop Quoting Me!

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    Just pointing out statistics and the fact that Feds don't fall for "the banana in the tailpipe trick."
     
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    I was in High School in Florida when Ted Bundy was tried. When I was in college, I took a Forensic Science class taught by one of the lead forensics experts for that case. The littlest girl that was killed lived very close to us and we were all panicking about the serial killer, girls were being escorted to and from school and under constant supervision... I remember when Bundy got the death penalty thinking then that I would be a grandmother before he was executed. It didn't take all that long for him but I think he waived his appeals? I'm really not sure. The thing that scares me about quick and speedy executions again is the process of execution. There are a lot of extraneous variables here and as a civilized society we have a responsibility to consider all of them. I hate that it will take a long time mostly because I worry for the families that will not have closure until this is all over with. Is the system screwed up? Certainly. Still, I believe America is the best country in the world and for all our problems, justice will prevail.

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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    My impression was that he was pointing out that the feds mean business! They don't mess around with these types of people.
     
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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    The family has requested no media and no cameras at the funeral.
     
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    They'll still be on the street hoping to get footage of the protestors etc.
     
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    And the media is well known for respecting people's privacy... Hopefully they will this time, but I won't hold my breath.
     
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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    Yeah, I know. It's enough to make me leave my camera at home.
     
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    What many people do NOT understand is that the many checks and appeals processes are not there to protect the guilty ! They are there to protect the innocent ! A long legal process is good if the convicted turns out to be innocent. Ironically in this day and age DNA offers certainty.
     
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    In the OJ trial, they had a fingerprint on top of mixed blood and he still walked. DNA does not mean certainty if you're rich enough to have a "dream team" of lawyers. The system is not fair.

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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    It offers certainty that he did it. Not necessarily certainty of conviction. THANKS MARK FUHRMAN!!! ;)
     
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    I think that might be a bad example, although i do agree the system isnt fair. When that trial was tried, DNA wasnt well understood by the public (the jurors basically). I also think that there wasnt a good system of collecting blood samples and the defense attorny said that some of the extra blood that they collected could have placed at the crime scene afterwards. Stupid stuff for sure, but enough to cast doubt on an uninformed jury.
     
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    PRC Stop Quoting Me!

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    I think that the system is as fair as it can be. I just think the jury is getting collectively dumber with every breath. People think that real life is like CSI Miami.

    I guarantee that everyone on this forum has heard the expression "beyond a reasonable doubt" I'd care to bet that less than 10% actually know what it means in a court of law.

    If any member of the site cares to take the test, tell me what "reasonable doubt" means in court. Off the top of your head. Don't Google it.
     
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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    Unfortunately, I had the pleasure of serving jury duty THREE TIMES last year. :grumble:

    It is my understanding that "beyond a reasonable doubt" means that there is no other logical explanation for what occurred. It doesn't mean that every single piece of evidence has to make sense.
     
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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    PS -- you may be under the impression that you can't get called for jury duty more than once a year. I, too, was under that impression. But that's only for each particular court, i.e. city, county, state and federal court. :grumble:
     
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    i got jury duty year before last and i liked it lol, a 5 day civil case too... i could only imagine how awesome it would be with a high profile criminal case
     
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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    Oh gosh! Like the OJ Simpson jurors that had to be sequestered in a hotel for what was it, a year or something?! I would HATE that! What would I do without internet for all that time?!
     
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