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    LBFish

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    I don't know that it has ever been proposed. Though I think it would be impossible to keep up with every idea that gets proposed by our government. I do think it is a fairly radical idea on solving this problem, but that doesn't mean it won't work or wouldn't get support. I don't know who would oppose it either. Everybody wants better care for our Vets and the right side wants less/smaller government usually. Sounds like a winner to me. Draft up a good letter describing the idea and spread it around. Start getting people to send that letter or similar letters to their representatives. Perhaps a "grass roots" effort could get something like this at least discussed in DC.

    Obviously the employees of the VA would be against this, the loss of jobs would be a huge hurdle. I don't know if the VA workers are part of a union or not, but unions in general would likely speak out against this.

    Some research would be helpful. Find out how much money the VA gets, the number of Vets receiving care, the number not getting care, the average cost of good health insurance policies.

    The idea appears to make sense. Even if it gets legs in DC, the ever popular amendments that have nothing to do with the original bill have the ability to kill it too. The timing for such an idea is good with so many vets coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan.
     
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    ZyberGoby Because I'm clever VIP Member

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    Hey if it works use it. Hell I've used many tactics to get out of it I'm not going to take time off work for someone that commits a crime of any nature.... Besides I don't care of your color or creed if I have the option to get dismissed for any reason I'll jump at it. I hated the one time I was on the jurors panel. It was all a dog and pony show where the person that deems them self (head juror) tried to sway you one way be-hide closed doors and discard how you feel about the case at hand. Never again I don't care who it is I'm not going to pass my judgment in any case in court.

    On A Side Note .....

    But I do have to say its funny how people turn face on a group of people so quickly. Now because of this D-bag that did the shooting in AZ any one that's "a freak" or a bit strange will be criticized and looked at this way.... Just like goths and freaks after the columbine shooting. oh no that person is a freak and wearing a black trench coat. Look out they will shoot this place up.... bah its BS.... Or like when they tryed to blame hard core and other metal music for things... I can see it now people trying to blame drowning pool or slipknot or even go after Marilyn Manson again.

    I'm just sick of how people turn and try and blame things dumb ass's like for how they turn out and the things they do. I mean so yeah I have a copy of Mein Kampf and The Third Reich as well as many other books on Nazi Germany and communist Russia and North Korea. That was required or must read when I was in college. But when the way this "PC" country is these days it’s a wonder we have any room for “freedom” any more. Yote has it right with his Thomas Jefferson quote/s. Sure this is a matter of gun laws and the second amendment. Which I feel every law biding citizen that solutes our flag has a given right to bare arms… I for one feel that it does not need any reform and stand by the saying “Guns don’t kill people… People kill people…” A firearm is a tool just as a hammer or a car all of these can kill people. The person/s behind them is what really matters.
    My only fear with this shooting is the bleed off on our nations sub cultures and even more stereotypes made for them. Also I for one know how heartless a grand majority of people are towards folks that are different in what ever way it may be. It’s a damn shame this happened but even more so it’s a damn shame how much it will drag out and be nit picked… he did it guilty done over with no one need to know any more than that . No one needed to know about his so called shrine or his net vids or his rejection from the army. We as a hole did not need to know any thing but the facts he shot these people…

    With what has been said to the media and let known to the world will say to some other impressionable people that people that are “freaks” or weird in any way are bad folks. Or what ever it may be. Just like many times before when things such as this have happened. Every one looks for something to blame weather it be “violence in games, music, movies or TV” none ever takes in the account of ones free will. People flip there lids every day for all kinds of reasons. Some are just hot heads. Others may act on there angers and frustrations. But at the end of the day the only thing to blame is that person Nothing more nothing less.

    Sure after the first day I stopped watching the news I got sick of it. But the other thing that burns me is that a few paper pushers and other folks get several days of a flag at half mass. But our men and women in a foreign land that get killed for a BS war. Get what a day; what the hell is that crap. If any thing every flag in this land should be at half mass till every last one of those men and women are back home where they should be. I think that’s all I will say on this because I feel that if I go one some people would really flip out. But I am vary much so entitled to my opinion… I have my strong feeling just as the next person so with that said I will end wit this. It was/is a tragedy this has happened to those folks in Arizona. Most of all that poor little girl I don’t really care about any one else that has had some life be hind by them. But that little girl A CHILD will not see or feel the things that those adults have seen and felt. Its truly a damn shame and horrifying tragedy.
     
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    Found today's speech, just thought i'd share :)

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztbJmXQDIGA]YouTube - Watch President Obama's Full Speech at Tucson Memorial[/ame]
     
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    You would not even believe the waste I've seen in the VA. It was truly astonishing. The private sector, although pricey, could take care of the vets cheaper and probably better. The problem is that if you say you are going to close down the VA a small vocal minority would react emotionally. The government employees would raise hell and Congress would nix the idea. I think the majority of Vets, all who have seen the incredible bureaucracy and slow response to bebefits, might actually endorse the idea. You would have to phase it out it in a slow and methodical way. But the idea would definitley be considered "radical".
     
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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    We know quite a few vets. I can honestly say that I don't think I've heard any of them heap praise on medical care they've received. In fact, I've heard more bad stories than good, maybe not about the care itself, but the waiting times and all the paperwork involved. In the end, the quality of the care they receive should be the most important consideration, not federal jobs... And like I said, it would create demand for those same jobs in the private sector, where there already is unfilled demand for health care workers, even during this recession. I don't think a ton of doctors and nurses would end up on unemployment. Paper pushers, maybe...
     
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    Just saw on the news. That church isnt going to be protesting the funerals for the victims. Not sure what caused them to change their mind, but I am pleased that they arent.
     
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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    A local radio station offered them free air time in return for staying away from the funerals. They are getting 30 minutes to explain their position instead. That makes me happy. Now, if you don't want to hear them, you can change the channel. Instead of forcing families to be exposed to their message at the funerals of loved ones.
     
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    I hope that everyone in the tuscan area changes the channel!!!!!
    I still hope that the "wall of love" still shows up also. I think that would be a great image to portray in the media.
     
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    It occurs to me this morning that I am seeing a lot more charitable organizations popping to help our vets. I'm sure they would be a good ally in the promoting of this idea.
     
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    Bifferwine I am a girl

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    Yes, if there wasn't a need for help, there wouldn't be charities popping up to fill that void. Good point.
     
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    My mother has TriCare. She now has to go to NASJax for her Dr Appts whereas before she had a private doctor who took TriCare. She fell about 2 mos ago on her left arm on concrete. Just NOW is she being seen by a specialist. She went to the ER at NAS they xrayed and prescribed pain meds. She went to her regular Dr there on base, xray again, MORE meds. She is still in so much pain and can't hardly use her arm. Unbelievable
     
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    yote Ceritfied Mantis Hunter Moderator

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    Might have been better to have law enforcement stop that bunch somewhere outside of town and detain em until everything was said and done.I dont know that there would be enough disinfectant in 14 entire countries to clean that radio station up after westboro church has been in it.

    When it comes to our vets.They should get the same medical coverage that the federal government and employees get or better ( at no cost to the soldier ). What the insurance dont pay,the government should.Those soldiers shouldnt have to pay anything out of their own pockets for the rest of their lives for health care and funeral expenses.And it shouldnt matter if they served 2 months or 20 years as long as they were honorably discharged.And it should be automatic and go into effect the second they sign that dotted line.
     
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    I think a large problem with health care for our vets is that the system was put in place when you were more likely to die if you were seriously injured. It need to be re-evaluated for current medical practice (more mental health care) and care for the seriously wounded or disabled.
     
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