Rose anenome splitting

Discussion in 'Reef Fishes' started by TW, Apr 1, 2006.

  1. TW

    Wayne Sallee Guest

    I don't want to rule out that they might know that they
    are feeding the anemone. How do we know that they don't
    know that the anemone is eating the food?

    My personal fealing is that it is a little bit of both.
    Just because it is one, does not mean that it is not some
    of the other.

    For example:

    I had a customer that had a pair of clown fish with a
    variety of fish, and two skunk cleaner shrimp. They were
    all getting along just fine for a long time. Then he
    decided to add a carpet anemone. The clownfish loved the
    new addition, and started killing and draging the cleaner
    shrimps, and other fish into the anemone. Nothing had
    changed but the addition of the anemone. This raises the
    question of what were they thinking when they went bazerk,
    killing and feeding the anemene.

    My figuring is that they were going to breed, and fish
    that are breeding, are more agressive to other creatures,
    but, did they kill them to eat them later??? I don't think
    so. When damsel fish kill other fish, they don't drag them
    back to the spot where they sleep. So there's got to be a
    reason why a clownfish will kill a fish, and drag it back
    to the place where they sleep.

    And yes, I know that clown fish are categorized in with
    the damsel fish.

    Wayne Sallee
    Wayne's Pets
    Wayne@WaynesPets.com


    AverageSchmuck wrote on 4/6/2006 1:01 PM:
    > My intention is not to argue fight insult... none of that you guys are
    > simply talking about something I really get into. Something I have
    > done since I was a small child watch wildlife and track their behavior
    > ... What I do and I think I do well in a job that involves that but
    > money you need money to be formally trained.
     
    Wayne Sallee, Apr 6, 2006
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  2. well I am not up completely on the mating behavior but I do know with
    most species try to horde and fatten up for lack of better word when
    they are going through mating. So the slaughter of the shrimps may not
    have anything to do with feeding the anenome but hording food for the
    act of mating and raising their young now that they feel comfortable
    with the situation enough to mate. Now I cant say its completely
    impossible that they are not feeding I just see it as very unlikely
    that they are intending on feeding the anenome. It could be possible
    that the anenome caused them to get more aggressive due to the
    shrimps wanting to clean it. The clowns are territorial so they may
    have killed it due to that and said hey why waste it save it for
    later. Its possible I supose .. just shooting stuff out their in a
    brain storm fashion.

    Maybe Don Ghedis could supply more information on their mating rituals
    on that concern cause he seems to be very up on that and to be honest
    I think he mates them.
     
    AverageSchmuck, Apr 6, 2006
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  3. TW

    Boomer Guest

    My last post on this thread

    .. I have not changed I think you have. This thread ( my remarks) is on animal behavior and
    its relationship to feeding behavior and its interpretation. You would need to seek an
    ethnology book and read its section on feeding behavior, a science. I sent you to a
    dictionary to see where you would go with it, I. was disappointed. A std English
    dictionary is not the place to be on this subject. That was my point to see where you
    would go. I'm surprised you did not look up the term anthropomorphic and have a go at
    that as well. You are still dwelling on the dictionary term. I was trying here to give a
    lesson, it did not work. I once wrote a undergraduate paper ; "The Food and Habits and
    Feeding Behavior of the American River Otter ( Lutra canadensis )". No it was never in
    print and I do not even have a copy of it any more, it was 25 years ago. But have brought
    it upon forums, when picking on Ronny ;-)


    "Your attempt of interpretation of what I am doing is amazing..."

    Then why its it I pretty much know what your post are going to be

    Peoples behavior and actions are often easy to project in certain situations...sorry. And
    I'll bet some here projected mine as well :)

    "I do not need to dig myself - I am perfectly fine with being wrong"

    If you are fine at being wrong then why do you say the fish is intentionally feeding its
    anemone, when all studies and experts on clowns differ with you. I raised then for a
    couple of decades and friend of mine raises and breeds clowns, especially rare ones and
    collects host anemones

    I have probably been a pain in the ass on this thread ...sorry and should have approached
    it differently. Rather than "feeding" the fuel :)
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    "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote in message news:e12h8b.37o.1@poczta.onet.pl...
    : "Boomer" <wcwing@nospamchartermi.net> wrote in message news:u_ZYf.74$1H4.31@fe06.lga...
    : > I see you are still digging holes for yourself.. I figured you would post about
    exactly
    : > what you just did. You are talking or want to keep talking in circles. You think maybe
    you
    : > have won on at least on point , as you have been blown away on all others. It is your
    last
    : > chance ditch effort to make yourself look good and is the only reason behind this last
    : > post. You are thinkin maybe I have not lost my credibility YET on this issue.
    :
    : Your attempt of interpretation of what I am doing is amazing...
    : I have really no idea what are you getting these impressions.
    : Are you projecting what you would do in similar situation or what?
    : I cannot recognise you, Boomer, recently... you have changed :-(
    :
    : > You already know my definition of the word feeding in clowns . I guess you are still
    : > confused
    : >
    : > Feeding is the process by which organisms, typically animals, obtain food. In behavior
    : > the anemone is feeding off the food the fish brought it but the fish is not feeding
    the
    : > anemone, a behavioral active intentional act in animal behavior field....WHICH IS
    : > WHAT YOU CLAIM and all evidence disagrees with you.
    :
    : You have referred me to the dictionary to check my definition of "feeding"...
    : I have checked mine and found I understand this word as in dictionary.
    :
    : What dictionary are you taking your definition from ? Can you quote the source ?
    : How "intentions" can be detected in animals lacking their brain, for example: medusa ?
    : What are "intentions" of meduza, which has no brain, and - does not think ?
    : Is it still feeding, if there are no intentions? :))
    :
    : > Every one that is reading this thread knows what I mean
    : > and what you meant, to include youself.
    :
    : Well, I would not be so sure about this...
    : Have you conducted any survey ? :)
    :
    : > You made the claim on what your clown is doing, not me and now you
    : > are trying to defend it to make it you look better.
    :
    : I do not care to "look better". I do not have phd in animal behaviorism,
    : I do not have any title to defend in front of my students :))
    : I can afford to be wrong in my observations - I am just a hobbyist
    : observing a single pair of maroon clowns in a single tank...
    : I have shared my observations and my interpretations of these.
    : I said many times, that I can agree with scientists about the lack
    : of intentions in the clowns behaviour, even if this is clear only
    : from looking at my pair. My pair is probably not representative, so
    : I can undestood it does not involve intentions - ok.
    :
    : What I have problem with is associations of "feeding" with intentions.
    : My dicionary supports my understanding of word "feeding".
    : You have some problems quoting any dictionary supporting your version...
    : What is wrong in this picture ? :)
    :
    : > You are trying to find ways to dig yourself out of the hole.
    : > " um, maybe if I keep on the 'feeding" definition thing I'll
    : > gain some lost ground" Give it Up
    :
    : The problem is I am not in any hole...
    : .
    : I just ask you to show me in some reputable source your definition
    : of word "feeding" :) Do I ask for too much ? :)
    :
    : > Go head and dig some more post holes, I really do not care
    :
    : Yes you do...
     
    Boomer, Apr 6, 2006
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  4. TW

    Boomer Guest

    "I don't want to rule out that they might know that they
    are feeding the anemone. How do we know that they don't
    know that the anemone is eating the food?"

    If they know that Wayne, then why do they bring sticks to anemones and other not eatable
    items/objects


    "The clownfish loved the
    new addition, and started killing and draging the cleaner
    shrimps, and other fish into the anemone. Nothing had
    changed but the addition of the anemone. This raises the
    question of what were they thinking when they went bazerk,
    killing and feeding the anemene."

    It is called a "threat behavioral response"

    Just to throw out something kinda new. Some researchers think that a clowns shit is an
    important food source to anemones. Base on this and a few other know things ( beating off
    predators, etc..) it may bring clown and their anemone more to a mutualistic relationship.


    I will not reply :)


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    "Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message
    news:44354DF6.9040509@WayneSallee.com...
    :I don't want to rule out that they might know that they
    : are feeding the anemone. How do we know that they don't
    : know that the anemone is eating the food?
    :
    : My personal fealing is that it is a little bit of both.
    : Just because it is one, does not mean that it is not some
    : of the other.
    :
    : For example:
    :
    : I had a customer that had a pair of clown fish with a
    : variety of fish, and two skunk cleaner shrimp. They were
    : all getting along just fine for a long time. Then he
    : decided to add a carpet anemone. The clownfish loved the
    : new addition, and started killing and draging the cleaner
    : shrimps, and other fish into the anemone. Nothing had
    : changed but the addition of the anemone. This raises the
    : question of what were they thinking when they went bazerk,
    : killing and feeding the anemene.
    :
    : My figuring is that they were going to breed, and fish
    : that are breeding, are more agressive to other creatures,
    : but, did they kill them to eat them later??? I don't think
    : so. When damsel fish kill other fish, they don't drag them
    : back to the spot where they sleep. So there's got to be a
    : reason why a clownfish will kill a fish, and drag it back
    : to the place where they sleep.
    :
    : And yes, I know that clown fish are categorized in with
    : the damsel fish.
    :
    : Wayne Sallee
    : Wayne's Pets
    : Wayne@WaynesPets.com
    :
    :
    : AverageSchmuck wrote on 4/6/2006 1:01 PM:
    : > My intention is not to argue fight insult... none of that you guys are
    : > simply talking about something I really get into. Something I have
    : > done since I was a small child watch wildlife and track their behavior
    : > ... What I do and I think I do well in a job that involves that but
    : > money you need money to be formally trained.
     
    Boomer, Apr 6, 2006
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  5. TW

    Wayne Sallee Guest

    Boomer wrote on 4/6/2006 5:53 PM:
    > "I don't want to rule out that they might know that they
    > are feeding the anemone. How do we know that they don't
    > know that the anemone is eating the food?"
    >
    > If they know that Wayne, then why do they bring sticks to anemones and other not eatable
    > items/objects
    >


    Well it's sure not to eat it later :)

    Wayne Sallee
    Wayne's Pets
    Wayne@WaynesPets.com
     
    Wayne Sallee, Apr 6, 2006
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  6. TW

    Boomer Guest

    So back to the same thing, it thinks its anemone can eat a wooden stick or plastic straw
    so it "feeds" it.


    "Instinct does not have to mean "premeditated intentions"

    You forgot a work :) Innate


    " But I still think that there is more design and purpose
    : > than many people see"

    Base on what, you see better or more than others ??


    There will not be a reply ;-)


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    "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote in message news:e12vk5.do.1@poczta.onet.pl...
    : "Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message
    news:44353776.6080705@WayneSallee.com...
    : > And yes I have known about this idea that "anemone fish
    : > are not intentionally feeding their anemone" for many
    : > years :)
    : >
    : > But I still think that there is more design and purpose
    : > than many people see.
    : >
    : > And I agree that the definition of "feeding" does not have
    : > to include "intention".
    :
    : Exactly.
    : Instinct does not have to mean "premeditated intentions".
    :
     
    Boomer, Apr 6, 2006
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  7. TW

    Pszemol Guest

    "Boomer" <wcwing@nospamchartermi.net> wrote in message news:q5gZf.781$bX.234@fe05.lga...
    > "I don't want to rule out that they might know that they
    > are feeding the anemone. How do we know that they don't
    > know that the anemone is eating the food?"
    >
    > If they know that Wayne, then why do they bring
    > sticks to anemones and other not eatable items/objects


    Because they do not have a PhD in zoology ? :)
    Have you been exposed to a term "instinct"?
    Do you think a dog "knows" to cover his droppings?
    Or this is just an instinct? Do you think a baby
    mammal "knows" that it needs to suck the mother
    to survive or this is just blind instinct ?
    The same might be with "clown feeding anemone" fenomena.
    You expect too much "perfect sense" while interpreting
    observation as intentions...

    Even in humans it is difficult to judge other person.
    Like - you see a person smoking a cigarette. Do you
    assume based on this observation, the person intends
    to kill himself from painfull lung cancer?

    Maybe clown feels a temptation to bring food to his
    anemone and does it without knowing exactly what is
    he doing...

    But this discussion drifted far away from the subject
    and focused on YOU using common hobby terms in uncommon
    meaning (to start with carpet anemone). You still did
    not provide a dictionary quotation requiring intention
    in the meaning of word "feeding".

    > I will not reply :)


    What are you afraid of? :))
     
    Pszemol, Apr 7, 2006
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  8. TW

    Pszemol Guest

    "Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message news:44358EB1.80603@WayneSallee.com...
    > Boomer wrote on 4/6/2006 5:53 PM:
    >> "I don't want to rule out that they might know that they
    >> are feeding the anemone. How do we know that they don't
    >> know that the anemone is eating the food?"
    >>
    >> If they know that Wayne, then why do they bring sticks to anemones and other not eatable
    >> items/objects

    >
    > Well it's sure not to eat it later :)


    Good one, Wayne! :))
     
    Pszemol, Apr 7, 2006
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  9. TW

    Pszemol Guest

    "Boomer" <wcwing@nospamchartermi.net> wrote in message news:FWfZf.745$bX.316@fe05.lga...
    > My last post on this thread


    I have found one more you sent 12 minutes after this one... ;-)
    And one more, another 6 minutes later... :))))
    But this is perfectly fine with me :))))) Feel free to add more!
    Your posts are as always, very informative...

    > I sent you to a dictionary to see where you would go with it,
    > I. was disappointed. A std English dictionary is not the place
    > to be on this subject.


    Could you do me a favor and QUOTE a *definition* of "feeding"
    from one of such sources? Thank you. That would be helpfull
    and constructive critic.

    BTW -
    We are not writing a PhD dissertation here - we are discussing
    on a public forum, and we expect a common English to be used.
    If you know you use a common word in a uncommon meaning, it
    would be YOUR responsibility to warn about the difference since YOU
    are the scientist here who knows both meanings, not us, hobbyists.

    (see confusion about you using word "carpet anemone" to describe BTA).

    > "Your attempt of interpretation of what I am doing is amazing..."
    >
    > Then why its it I pretty much know what your post are going to be


    You "knew it", but after the fact...
    That kind of knowing future is easy.
    Do not give yourself too much credit ;-)

    > If you are fine at being wrong then why do you say the fish is
    > intentionally feeding its anemone, when all studies and experts
    > on clowns differ with you.


    Because TO ME it looks like intentional feeding...
    The same way like the robin bird feeding its chicks feeding.
    Even if it is not intentional feeding, it is still feeding.
    I do not care if it is premeditated or driven by a blind
    instinct. It is feeding because food is actively provided.

    This is the only definition of word feeding I know so far...
    You are more than welcome providing a better definition
    and I will gladly change my mind. As I said before - marine
    zoology or animal behaviourism is not my business profession
    so I do not feel bad making mistake in this field... :))

    > I have probably been a pain in the ass on this thread ...
    > sorry and should have approached it differently.


    Yes, it was noticable different than your previous
    participation in this group... Instead of focusing
    on the issue, you make it too much PERSONAL thing.
    Short tempered and impatient with us, dumb hobbyist... :)
    That is sad change, I expected more from you as an expert here.
    I hope it was just your bad day ;-)
     
    Pszemol, Apr 7, 2006
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  10. TW

    Pszemol Guest

    "Boomer" <wcwing@nospamchartermi.net> wrote in message news:rbgZf.803$bX.531@fe05.lga...
    > So back to the same thing, it thinks its anemone can eat
    > a wooden stick or plastic straw so it "feeds" it.


    Putting aside I have never seen this in my tank, tell me please:
    Why is the clownfish bringing unedible items to its nest ?
    I am sure it is not "to eat it later" :)

    I see female clown from my pair frequently CLEANING the nest
    site by REMOVING vigorously items like shells, pieces of rock
    or feeder-algae I put in tank for tangs. Also she is wiping
    the sand surface clean by waging its tail fin creating quite
    strong water current away from the anemone... pushing all
    debris away from the nest.

    Is this behaviour (bringing wooden sticks/straws)
    observed in the nature? With anemone host or without one ?

    > "Instinct does not have to mean "premeditated intentions"
    >
    > You forgot a work :) Innate


    Sorry, I do not follow this one...
     
    Pszemol, Apr 7, 2006
    #70
  11. Lol I am sorry but I do have to make a little fun here Psz please
    forgive me.

    >Do you think a dog "knows" to cover his droppings?
    >Or this is just an instinct?


    Does anyone else see the problem in the above statement cause I have
    been around dogs my entire life and never observed a dog doing this
    but my cats do.


    >Even in humans it is difficult to judge other person.
    >Like - you see a person smoking a cigarette. Do you
    >assume based on this observation, the person intends
    >to kill himself from painfull lung cancer?


    The Cigarette/cancer conversation is one that can spin way out of
    control. not ussually a good foundation for proving points.


    ;-) I am sorry bro but I found a little humor their. Please don't be
    angry ;-)
     
    AverageSchmuck, Apr 7, 2006
    #71
  12. Here is something to ponder on :

    The Robin feeding her newly hatched chics is it instinct for her to do
    this or is it learned response because her mother before her did it
    and so forth. I ask this cause not just mom feeds pop does also. I
    mean we don't necessarly remeber our birth or much from our first few
    years but proven our subconcious does which is where people start to
    call it instinct but is it really. I would imagine as a baby we take
    to feeding on mom breast because we smell the fats when held up to
    it.
     
    AverageSchmuck, Apr 7, 2006
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  13. TW

    Pszemol Guest

    "AverageSchmuck" <jschmoe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:28fb32lsr98b2i5vipqehiqn8vgmbhbbsg@4ax.com...
    > Lol I am sorry but I do have to make a little fun here Psz please
    > forgive me.
    >
    >>Do you think a dog "knows" to cover his droppings?
    >>Or this is just an instinct?

    >
    > Does anyone else see the problem in the above statement cause I have
    > been around dogs my entire life and never observed a dog doing this
    > but my cats do.


    Dog, cats, cangaroo - the name of the particular animal is not important
    here. What is important here, that some animals, including humans with
    huge and well working brains!!! DO certain things out of instinct, reflex.
    Without putting much thinking into it. Similar thing can be with clownfish.

    >>Even in humans it is difficult to judge other person.
    >>Like - you see a person smoking a cigarette. Do you
    >>assume based on this observation, the person intends
    >>to kill himself from painfull lung cancer?

    >
    >The Cigarette/cancer conversation is one that can spin way out of
    >control. not ussually a good foundation for proving points.


    Yes, it is generally not a good idea to comment such thing to a stranger ;)

    > ;-) I am sorry bro but I found a little humor their. Please don't be
    > angry ;-)


    I am far from being angry, "bro" :)
     
    Pszemol, Apr 7, 2006
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  14. TW

    Pszemol Guest

    "AverageSchmuck" <jschmoe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:cifb32hcsbvbhag2veu7oj5ihcvsbhhbs2@4ax.com...
    > Here is something to ponder on :
    >
    > The Robin feeding her newly hatched chics is it instinct for her to do
    > this or is it learned response because her mother before her did it
    > and so forth. I ask this cause not just mom feeds pop does also. I
    > mean we don't necessarly remeber our birth or much from our first few
    > years but proven our subconcious does which is where people start to
    > call it instinct but is it really. I would imagine as a baby we take
    > to feeding on mom breast because we smell the fats when held up to
    > it.


    Whatever the reason is, we do not do it "because we intended to feed" :)
    We do it out of blind instinct.
     
    Pszemol, Apr 7, 2006
    #74
  15. Seriously if your trying to prove a point or convince someone of said
    point it might be advantagous to at least pick something that is
    considered to be instinct.
    First so you know for sure what the definition is :

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    in·stinct (nstngkt)
    n.

    1. An inborn pattern of behavior that is characteristic of a species
    and is often a response to specific environmental stimuli.

    2. A powerful motivation or impulse.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    in·stinctive or in·stinctu·al (n-stngkch-l) adj.


    Source: The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary
    Copyright © 2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by
    Houghton Mifflin Company.


    Main Entry: in·stinct
    Pronunciation: 'in-"sti[ng](k)t
    Function: noun
    1 : a largely inheritable and unalterable tendency of an organism to
    make a complex and specific response to environmental stimuli without
    involving reason
    2 : behavior that is mediated by reactions below the conscious level


    Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster,
    Inc.

    ---- 1 of the 5 entries at this web address
    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=instinct

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Now with definition in mind that means that whatever is considered in
    instinct is unalterable. Example might be our heartbeat!!! We can not
    consciously alter our heartbeat with exception of some very rare
    Tibetan monks that can meditate and raise and drop their bodies core
    temp and slow and speed their heartbeat. Now because those monks can
    alter those on a conscious level that opens the debate that even our
    heartbeat is not instinct.

    You used the example of and I qoute here:

    "Do you think a dog "knows" to cover his droppings?"

    Of course I responded to this trying to make a joke of it cause you
    either have no idea what your talking about or my assumption you got
    mixed up and wrote the wrong mammal. I do not disagree with the fact
    that some stuff in this world might be instinct but we are dealing
    with more basic stuff than you think here like swimming to a fish. Now
    let me explain your example I am going to assume you meant cat. Now
    with cat when their born they do not know to clean themselves. They do
    not know to go poop on loose gravel and then bury it. All of that is
    taught to them by their mothers. First few weeks mother eats their
    poop it helps stimulate the lactation to feed their young. Then as the
    get older the mother slowly teaches them what the food dish is, how to
    clean themselves by doing it, purring is even a learned thing that mom
    teaches them. Hunting is a taught thing also. Cats are a social animal
    and typically social behavior animals are taught almost all of their
    basic skills from birth through interaction in thier social circles.
    Yes even for us!!!!!! Now the possibilty to learn in that fashion
    could be instinctive behavior but the activities themselves are
    ussually not.

    My point here is if your gonna use something to support your argument
    maybe it should actually support your argument and not defeat your
    argument. I seriously was joking I thought it was abudantly clear
    until I see your half cocked response. Whatever I know you will
    respond and it will not be nice doesnt matter to me and not worth the
    argument hence I will not reply to this particular post again.

    JOKE JOKE JOKE JOKE BELOW BELOW BELOW BELOW

    cangaroo? Can I get those at the super market by chance? Must be next
    to cancorn.

    I know it was a real knee slapper!!!! ;-)


    Later Days!!!!
     
    AverageSchmuck, Apr 7, 2006
    #75
  16. "blind instinct" ? define that all I find is instinct


    On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:42:37 -0500, "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com>
    wrote:

    >"AverageSchmuck" <jschmoe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:cifb32hcsbvbhag2veu7oj5ihcvsbhhbs2@4ax.com...
    >> Here is something to ponder on :
    >>
    >> The Robin feeding her newly hatched chics is it instinct for her to do
    >> this or is it learned response because her mother before her did it
    >> and so forth. I ask this cause not just mom feeds pop does also. I
    >> mean we don't necessarly remeber our birth or much from our first few
    >> years but proven our subconcious does which is where people start to
    >> call it instinct but is it really. I would imagine as a baby we take
    >> to feeding on mom breast because we smell the fats when held up to
    >> it.

    >
    >Whatever the reason is, we do not do it "because we intended to feed" :)
    >We do it out of blind instinct.
     
    AverageSchmuck, Apr 7, 2006
    #76
  17. TW

    Pszemol Guest

    "AverageSchmuck" <jschmoe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:0ktc325tnu0rie350ule1528i02fqnoemr@4ax.com...
    > Seriously if your trying to prove a point or convince someone of said
    > point it might be advantagous to at least pick something that is
    > considered to be instinct.


    So you are saying that behaviour of covering its own poop is NOT an instinct ?
    That is is learned from the parents. Do I understand you correctly, Jaime ?

    > First so you know for sure what the definition is :


    Where excatly in my text I am using this word out of its meaning
    to let you assume I do not know its meaning ?

    > Now with definition in mind that means that whatever is considered
    > in instinct is unalterable. Example might be our heartbeat!!!


    Really ? A heartbeat is an instinct ? Where are you geting this from ?
    Wow... this is something new for me and very interesting :)
     
    Pszemol, Apr 7, 2006
    #77
  18. Ok I know I said I wasnt going to reply but I have to now.

    You sir as I figured would post in a hateful hurtful manner but I
    never for one second thought you would stoop so low as to call me by a
    name that is not me. You are accusing me of being Jaime from previous
    posts and that sir could not be any further from the truth. I am not
    Jaime and I do not know Jaime and I am on completely different coast
    line all together from Jaime. So I can see now you have no interest in
    debating a topic in a educated manner. In fact you dont even show the
    inclination of showing your interested in sharing ideas. All your
    interested in is beating down and humilating anyone that happens to
    disagree with you. Hey get over it you not all that and a bag of
    chips. So I bid you farewell!!!!!

    Please don't force me to add you to my plonk list cause I do have
    interst in learning without censoring people out but if you continue
    in a pursuit to insult then I will be forced to.


    Later days!!!!


    PS .. Please dont assume!
     
    AverageSchmuck, Apr 7, 2006
    #78
  19. TW

    Pszemol Guest

    "AverageSchmuck" <jschmoe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:99fd32d57n52n5pqfvltkjh19a1aj9u130@4ax.com...
    > Ok I know I said I wasnt going to reply but I have to now.


    This is some kind of bug on this newsgroup recently...
    A lot of people are saying never to respond, and then they do :)

    > You sir as I figured would post in a hateful hurtful manner


    Hateful ? Hurtful ? It is not me :) You get it all wrong, sir.
    I am very, very friendly guy...

    > never for one second thought you would stoop so low
    > as to call me by a name that is not me.


    I am sorry, this is not your name ? What is you name, then ?

    > You are accusing me of being Jaime from previous
    > posts and that sir could not be any further from the truth.


    How can I know this ? :)
    You, sir, apeared out of nowhere on this group and right
    a way become a friend with Jaime :)))
    It just looked like you are his alter ego :)
    If not - than I am sorry for calling you Jaime.
    I am surprised you take it as an insult - I though you liked the guy ;-)

    > So I can see now you have no interest in debating a topic
    > in a educated manner.


    No, I have great interest in debating a topic...
    Calling you Jaime was the 2nd agenda I had - wanted to throw this
    and see how you react. You know, I can multitask a little :)

    > In fact you dont even show the
    > inclination of showing your interested in sharing ideas.


    Where have you noticed this ? I am just sharing the ideas
    in a thread about the slug.

    > Please don't force me to add you to my plonk list cause I do have
    > interst in learning without censoring people out but if you continue
    > in a pursuit to insult then I will be forced to.


    Who you read and who you don't is your personal business
    and I have nothing to do with this. Feel free to add me to your
    plonk list if you feel like it. I really do not care, I am serious...

    > PS .. Please dont assume!


    Sorry for calling you "Jaime" - can you search in your heart and forgive me ?

    Let's go back to the thread about instincts and tell me more about it...
     
    Pszemol, Apr 7, 2006
    #79
  20. LMAO ROFL Seriously this is beyond explanation. Thread is done as
    far as I am concerned for me .. Thank you for killing the
    conversation!
     
    AverageSchmuck, Apr 7, 2006
    #80
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