Soundproofing the sump cabinet???

Discussion in 'Reef Fishes' started by RedCrown, Nov 13, 2003.

  1. RedCrown

    RedCrown Guest

    Looking for advice on soundproofing a 75 gallon marine reef aquarium.
    My wife is the newbie fish freak, I'm just the plumber. I've searched
    every bulletin board and Internet site I can find and know about
    different pumps and plumbing configurations, including the "Durso
    Standpipe." I've taken all those measures, but still find the noise
    excessive. Now I'm considering lining the inside of the cabinet that
    contains the sump with industrial strength soundproofing materials.

    I'm looking at materials from places like these:
    http://www.extremesoundproofing.com/Products/products.html
    http://www.auralex.com/
    http://www.controlnoise.com/dbbloc.html

    Those materials look promising, but I'm surprised and confused that I
    find little or no mention in the aquarium discussion boards and web
    sites of soundproofing the sump cabinet.
    Has anyone tried it? Does it work? Any problems with heat build-up
    inside the cabinet when it is lined with insulation?

    Sincerely,

    Noisy in Iowa
     
    RedCrown, Nov 13, 2003
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  2. RedCrown

    Dan Norgard Guest

    Go to your local Heating/AC shop an get some black Acoustiliner (aka duct
    liner) It's a black fiberglas we use in ductwork to eliminate noise.
    Should be pretty inexpensive.
    It's semi-rigid so you can fasten it with just about anything and it cuts
    with a raxor knife or scissors. Get the 1/2 or 1 " thickness. It will
    smell a bit fishy for the first day.
    Dan


    "RedCrown" <red_crown@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    Looking for advice on soundproofing a 75 gallon marine reef aquarium.
    My wife is the newbie fish freak, I'm just the plumber. I've searched
    every bulletin board and Internet site I can find and know about
    different pumps and plumbing configurations, including the "Durso
    Standpipe." I've taken all those measures, but still find the noise
    excessive. Now I'm considering lining the inside of the cabinet that
    contains the sump with industrial strength soundproofing materials.

    I'm looking at materials from places like these:
    http://www.extremesoundproofing.com/Products/products.html
    http://www.auralex.com/
    http://www.controlnoise.com/dbbloc.html

    Those materials look promising, but I'm surprised and confused that I
    find little or no mention in the aquarium discussion boards and web
    sites of soundproofing the sump cabinet.
    Has anyone tried it? Does it work? Any problems with heat build-up
    inside the cabinet when it is lined with insulation?

    Sincerely,

    Noisy in Iowa
     
    Dan Norgard, Nov 14, 2003
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    Mort Guest

    "Dan Norgard" <dnorgard@interwrx.com> wrote in message
    news:vr9j8fnvjks079@corp.supernews.com...
    > Go to your local Heating/AC shop an get some black Acoustiliner (aka duct
    > liner) It's a black fiberglas we use in ductwork to eliminate noise.
    > Should be pretty inexpensive.
    > It's semi-rigid so you can fasten it with just about anything and it cuts
    > with a raxor knife or scissors. Get the 1/2 or 1 " thickness. It will
    > smell a bit fishy for the first day.
    > Dan
    >
    >


    Dan, are you in the HVAC field too? I work for a "Heating/AC shop".
    This insulation you are talking about, is it the same as the armaflex
    sheets? (black stuff)
    These usually come in a 3' X 4' sheets right?

    ~Mort
     
    Mort, Nov 14, 2003
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  4. RedCrown

    erik Guest

    I had heat problems when I used to have a sump.
    I had to install a fan to blow the heat out of the sump cabinet. It
    added more noise but was still quieter than with out the insulation in
    the cabinet.
    I used regular insulation board. Blue stuff.


    Erik


    On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:14:32 GMT, RedCrown <red_crown@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >Looking for advice on soundproofing a 75 gallon marine reef aquarium.
    >My wife is the newbie fish freak, I'm just the plumber. I've searched
    >every bulletin board and Internet site I can find and know about
    >different pumps and plumbing configurations, including the "Durso
    >Standpipe." I've taken all those measures, but still find the noise
    >excessive. Now I'm considering lining the inside of the cabinet that
    >contains the sump with industrial strength soundproofing materials.
    >
    >I'm looking at materials from places like these:
    >http://www.extremesoundproofing.com/Products/products.html
    >http://www.auralex.com/
    >http://www.controlnoise.com/dbbloc.html
    >
    >Those materials look promising, but I'm surprised and confused that I
    >find little or no mention in the aquarium discussion boards and web
    >sites of soundproofing the sump cabinet.
    >Has anyone tried it? Does it work? Any problems with heat build-up
    >inside the cabinet when it is lined with insulation?
    >
    >Sincerely,
    >
    >Noisy in Iowa
     
    erik, Nov 14, 2003
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  5. RedCrown

    Dan Norgard Guest

    No, this isn't neoprene like Armaflex. It's black fiberglas and comes on a
    100'roll. Your Bench/Layoutman has it to line duct with. While it has a
    low R-value it absorbs a lot ouf sound. I am lining my new stand with it.
    Yes, I've been in HVAC for 31 years.


    "Mort" <NOlordmort@SPAMsbcglobal.netHUMBLEISATROLL> wrote in message
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    "Dan Norgard" <dnorgard@interwrx.com> wrote in message
    news:vr9j8fnvjks079@corp.supernews.com...
    > Go to your local Heating/AC shop an get some black Acoustiliner (aka duct
    > liner) It's a black fiberglas we use in ductwork to eliminate noise.
    > Should be pretty inexpensive.
    > It's semi-rigid so you can fasten it with just about anything and it cuts
    > with a raxor knife or scissors. Get the 1/2 or 1 " thickness. It will
    > smell a bit fishy for the first day.
    > Dan
    >
    >


    Dan, are you in the HVAC field too? I work for a "Heating/AC shop".
    This insulation you are talking about, is it the same as the armaflex
    sheets? (black stuff)
    These usually come in a 3' X 4' sheets right?

    ~Mort
     
    Dan Norgard, Nov 14, 2003
    #5
  6. RedCrown

    RedCrown Guest

    I tried the advice. The only stuff I cound find from HVAC suppliers
    locally was yellow, not black. It's about twice as dense/heavy as
    plain insullation board from a common lumber yard.

    We lined the entire sump cabinet, but did not have much improvement.
    However, the experience hepled prove that the majority of noise is
    coming from the standpipe drain. Ours is an "AllGlass" aquarium with
    the standpipe drain inside the tank, drilled through the bottom. A
    black plastic shroud covers the plumbing inside the main tank. It
    appears that this configuration creates a "sound tunnel" so that the
    drain noise is channeled up through the top of the tank.

    Any brilliant ideas on how to deal with that?
     
    RedCrown, Nov 18, 2003
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    nanoreef Guest

    In article <tc1lrv85ltl6bpv74jls67j4pqv133v3ks@4ax.com>, RedCrown wrote:

    > However, the experience hepled prove that the majority of noise is
    > coming from the standpipe drain. Ours is an "AllGlass" aquarium with


    > Any brilliant ideas on how to deal with that?


    google for "durso standpipe"

    the durso standpipe is an easy DIY standpipe that should be
    quieter. There are a couple of variations depending on your needs.
     
    nanoreef, Nov 18, 2003
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  8. RedCrown

    Dan Norgard Guest

    Go to rec.aquaria.marine.misc and look at the thread for quieting an
    overflow.
    Sorry you couldn'd find the ductliner...it works.
    Dan


    "RedCrown" <red_crown@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:tc1lrv85ltl6bpv74jls67j4pqv133v3ks@4ax.com...
    I tried the advice. The only stuff I cound find from HVAC suppliers
    locally was yellow, not black. It's about twice as dense/heavy as
    plain insullation board from a common lumber yard.

    We lined the entire sump cabinet, but did not have much improvement.
    However, the experience hepled prove that the majority of noise is
    coming from the standpipe drain. Ours is an "AllGlass" aquarium with
    the standpipe drain inside the tank, drilled through the bottom. A
    black plastic shroud covers the plumbing inside the main tank. It
    appears that this configuration creates a "sound tunnel" so that the
    drain noise is channeled up through the top of the tank.

    Any brilliant ideas on how to deal with that?
     
    Dan Norgard, Nov 19, 2003
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