Southdown Tropical Play Sand

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  1. Mort

    Mort Guest

    "Marc Levenson" <melev@swbell.net> wrote in message
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    > I would scoop off the foam with a large spoon or ladle. If you'll add

    your LR,
    > it will clear up more quickly (as in 24 hours instead of 3 or 4 days).
    >
    > Marc
    >
    >



    The foam on the top subsided within a few hours. The cloudiness hung on for
    a few days though.

    One quesion I have is that there is a lot of this very fine white sediment
    all over everything. I am sure it is from my sand but the slightest
    movement of anything stirs it up again and the tank is cloudy for 12-24
    hours.

    It's a 75 gal and I only have 25lbs of LR in there for now but it is
    something.
    My skimmer will be running next week but I'm not confident it will remove
    this stuff.

    Another concern is that it has covered the LR like snow and I'm worried
    about the coraline algea. You can barely see it through this stuff. I'll
    post some pics in alt.binaries.aquaria although they dont do it justice...

    Any ideas on what it is or how I can get rid of it?

    TIA

    ~Mort






    > Mort wrote:
    >
    > > Maybe this was covered somewhere but I couldnt find this exactly so here
    > > goes....
    > >
    > > I am in the process of filling my tank with SW finally.
    > >
    > > I added my sand and used a bowl to put the water in so it would overflow
    > > into the tank and not stir all kinds of stuff up.
    > >
    > > Now, I was expecting some cloudiness but holy cow! My tank looks like a
    > > milk shake. Actually its more like horchata or rice water.
    > >
    > > What concerns me though is this foam on top. Its pretty thick and there

    is
    > > a lot of it. Should I try getting it to dissolve back in to the water

    or
    > > should I skim it?
    > >
    > > FTM I am letting a power head circulate the water as it is not yet high
    > > enough to run the sump. So it should dissolve on its own hopefully...
    > >
    > > ~Mort

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    Mort, Sep 2, 2003
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  2. As far as I know, you keep blowing it off with a turkey baster. As it gains
    more life in the stuff, it gets heavier and settles. Others will chime in with
    their experiences.

    Marc


    Mort wrote:

    > One quesion I have is that there is a lot of this very fine white sediment
    > all over everything. I am sure it is from my sand but the slightest
    > movement of anything stirs it up again and the tank is cloudy for 12-24
    > hours.
    >
    > It's a 75 gal and I only have 25lbs of LR in there for now but it is
    > something.
    > My skimmer will be running next week but I'm not confident it will remove
    > this stuff.
    >
    > Another concern is that it has covered the LR like snow and I'm worried
    > about the coraline algea. You can barely see it through this stuff. I'll
    > post some pics in alt.binaries.aquaria although they dont do it justice...
    >
    > Any ideas on what it is or how I can get rid of it?
    >
    > TIA
    >
    > ~Mort
    >
    >


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    Marc Levenson, Sep 2, 2003
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  3. Mort

    Mort Guest

    "david" <im@fedup.com> wrote in message
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    > i thought it settled after adding live rock because of the infusion of

    life
    > ?
    >


    It settled before I added the LR, it just took more time. But it got
    stirred up again when I did add it.
    I was just wondering if it would keep getting stirred up every time
    something moved.

    ~Mort
     
    Mort, Sep 2, 2003
    #23
  4. Mort

    Bob Parkins Guest

    Yes. This too will pass.

    (King Marc, think I can pass myself off as an expert with the newbies now?
    ;) )

    Marc Levenson <melev@swbell.net> wrote in message
    news:3F5421B4.2380FE1C@swbell.net...
    > As far as I know, you keep blowing it off with a turkey baster. As it

    gains
    > more life in the stuff, it gets heavier and settles. Others will chime in

    with
    > their experiences.
    >
    > Marc
    >
    >
    > Mort wrote:
    >
    > > One quesion I have is that there is a lot of this very fine white

    sediment
    > > all over everything. I am sure it is from my sand but the slightest
    > > movement of anything stirs it up again and the tank is cloudy for 12-24
    > > hours.
    > >
    > > It's a 75 gal and I only have 25lbs of LR in there for now but it is
    > > something.
    > > My skimmer will be running next week but I'm not confident it will

    remove
    > > this stuff.
    > >
    > > Another concern is that it has covered the LR like snow and I'm worried
    > > about the coraline algea. You can barely see it through this stuff.

    I'll
    > > post some pics in alt.binaries.aquaria although they dont do it

    justice...
    > >
    > > Any ideas on what it is or how I can get rid of it?
    > >
    > > TIA
    > >
    > > ~Mort
    > >
    > >

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    >
     
    Bob Parkins, Sep 3, 2003
    #24
  5. Marc Levenson, Sep 4, 2003
    #25
  6. Mort

    Bob Parkins Guest


    > You should be able to by now Bob! After all you've learned in the past

    year?!
    >
    > Where the heck have you been, anyway?
    >
    > Marc
    >


    Now that you mention it I guess I started researching almost a year and a
    half ago. My tank has been up about 4 months. Still learning as I go. I
    have been around, mostly on RC, but have been trying to limi overall time on
    PC to spend with family. Actually got a post pulled from RC when I resorted
    to begging <blushing>. We made up though. I just want fish sooo bad and am
    not making any $$$ right now.
     
    Bob Parkins, Sep 4, 2003
    #26
  7. I'm sure you can find some for free. I have people offer them to me quite often
    when they find out I have a saltwater setup. My UPS girl offered me a Coral
    Beauty about a month ago, for example.

    Some people taking down their tanks offer their fish to a good home for
    virtually nothing. You can always see if your local club has anything to offer
    by asking if anyone wants to get a fish out of their tank. Heck, I bet someone
    out there would love to get rid of a @*#&%$ jawfish. <grin>

    Marc

    Bob Parkins wrote:

    > Now that you mention it I guess I started researching almost a year and a
    > half ago. My tank has been up about 4 months. Still learning as I go. I
    > have been around, mostly on RC, but have been trying to limi overall time on
    > PC to spend with family. Actually got a post pulled from RC when I resorted
    > to begging <blushing>. We made up though. I just want fish sooo bad and am
    > not making any $$$ right now.


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    Marc Levenson, Sep 4, 2003
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  8. Mort

    Pszemol Guest

    "Bob Parkins" <bobparkins@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote in message news:4Ii1b.3112$lw4.2222@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > Buy as much as you can!!! We can't even get it on the West Coast without a
    > "hook-up."
    > The reason for the warning is because the manufacturer and distributors have
    > exclusive agreements (not sure of correct terminology). They mine it and
    > sell in 2 directions. 1 goes to aquarium hobby and is marked WAY, WAY, WAY
    > up. 2 goes to Southdown company (whatever their name is this week) and they
    > are under contract NOT to sell to anyone who intends to use it for
    > aquariums. I believe this is what is called the "free-market economy".....
    > uhhh I don't think so. Some have been told this directly by either HD
    > workers, or at the manufacturers/miners place in FL. Apparently if you
    > inquire at HD you have to play the "game." It is for a sandbox. The HD
    > "PLAYSAND" sold in my area (CA) is silica beach sand and has a cancer
    > warning on it...... go figure. I guess this could be useful if ever
    > questioned about why use such an obscure sand for sandbox. BTW, HD in CA
    > has not only never heard of it but this region doesn't even do business with
    > any distributor that carries it.... or at least that is what they told me.
    > Have read the same from others close to here as well. From my research the
    > SD at HD is EXACTLY the same with the possible exception of starting out a
    > tad dustier. Buy some, and then buy some more, and then buy some for me!


    If you have noticed some differences between the sand from Home Depot and
    the sand from the fish store ("tad dustier") how can you say "EXACTLY the same"?
    Maybe the sand for fish store goes through some additional cleaning?

    The reason I dig up this thread is that I was very convinced to the HD
    sand and was going to buy it myself until I talked it over with my friend
    and he rised some warnings... In his opinion this can be different sand
    or same sand but going through separate cleaning/sieving process...
    And also, we do not know what is the location for collecting the sand.
    Is is some dirty, polutet part of beach? Know knows? Is it worth risking?
    How many people have it here and can say "first hand" they are happy with it?
     
    Pszemol, Sep 11, 2003
    #28
  9. Mort

    Mort Guest

    <snip>

    > How many people have it here and can say "first hand" they are happy with

    it?

    </snip>


    Me. =) (so far anyway)
     
    Mort, Sep 11, 2003
    #29
  10. Mort

    Pszemol Guest

    "Mort" <LordMort@NOSPAMsbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:Hz18b.1205$ev2.820464@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > <snip>
    >
    > > How many people have it here and can say "first hand"
    > > they are happy with it?

    >
    > </snip>
    >
    >
    > Me. =) (so far anyway)


    I know about you already... :)))

    One thing worries me is that you noticed green algae
    already. How many days passed from your tank started??
    What do you have inside beside LR? When did you put LR?
    Was it cured? Is it not too soon for green hair algae?
    Maybe this sand is dirty anyway?

    I have picked up one bag today just to try it in my
    10g quarantine tank, and I noticed some of the bags
    had signs of algae developed on the inside...
    Just from sitting in the store under the sun...

    Have you measured levels of amonia/NO2/NO3 in the
    water just after mixing sand and water in the tank?
    I guess this note on the bag "not recommended for
    aquariums" is starting to hit my thniking process :))
    What a good marketing! :))
     
    Pszemol, Sep 11, 2003
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  11. Mort

    Mort Guest

    "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote in message
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    > "Mort" <LordMort@NOSPAMsbcglobal.net> wrote in message

    news:Hz18b.1205$ev2.820464@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > > <snip>
    > >
    > > > How many people have it here and can say "first hand"
    > > > they are happy with it?

    > >
    > > </snip>
    > >
    > >
    > > Me. =) (so far anyway)

    >
    > I know about you already... :)))
    >
    > One thing worries me is that you noticed green algae
    > already. How many days passed from your tank started??


    It's been almost 4 weeks. The hair algea is spotty at best. At first I
    thought it may have been something from the LR but it looks more like algae
    to me. These consist of a very small dot and maybe 2-5 hairs coming from
    it. They are on the glass more so than the sand. Is there such a thing as
    brown hair algae? I've got that too, or what appears to be brown at
    least...

    > What do you have inside beside LR?


    2 Damsels, some fake corals and barnacles.


    >When did you put LR?


    10lbs at 1st week, damsels and 15 more lbs on second week.

    > Was it cured?


    Yes

    >Is it not too soon for green hair algae?



    From what I have read, this is a natural part of the cycle. If it is too
    soon its prolly because I have been running my lights for 16hrs a day.
    (260W PC -2X 10000k and 2 true actinic .03)

    > Maybe this sand is dirty anyway?
    >


    Absolutely it is. There was some algae inside some of the bags. I figured
    it was fine that it should die off once in saltwater and could only help to
    further the cycle along.


    > I have picked up one bag today just to try it in my
    > 10g quarantine tank, and I noticed some of the bags
    > had signs of algae developed on the inside...
    > Just from sitting in the store under the sun...
    >



    Good stuff =P (I'm just being silly, I really have no idea if it is bad but
    I doubt that it is)



    > Have you measured levels of amonia/NO2/NO3 in the
    > water just after mixing sand and water in the tank?



    No, I had the sand in first, then added the water. I did not bother with
    testing at that point.

    > I guess this note on the bag "not recommended for
    > aquariums" is starting to hit my thniking process :))
    > What a good marketing! :))


    I read that the sand comes from the same mine as another company that does
    market it for aquarium use but they charge ten times more for it. Just a
    marketing technicality. I would think the other company cleans it but
    again, I am assuming anything that is alive in it will die off once
    submurged in saltwater so who cares?

    Thoughts?

    ~Mort
     
    Mort, Sep 11, 2003
    #31
  12. Mort

    Pszemol Guest

    "Mort" <LordMort@NOSPAMsbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:QB38b.1228$ev2.842419@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > I read that the sand comes from the same mine as another company that does
    > market it for aquarium use but they charge ten times more for it. Just a
    > marketing technicality. I would think the other company cleans it but
    > again, I am assuming anything that is alive in it will die off once
    > submurged in saltwater so who cares?


    I am more concern with other kinds of dirt...
    Things like run-off from the streets, city pollution, strange minerals etc.
    I have seen how is the sand on the beach looking in several places, so
    I would not put something like that in my aquarium... I will give HD sand
    a try, but I will probably measure the water.
    My quarantine tank has a lot of macro-algae now and some of dead oysters
    meat to feed algae - I am going to remove everything to the bucket and
    put this bag of sand and pour everthing back into the tank - right now
    it has no amonia, no NO2, NO3 at the level between 20-30. I will compare
    what will hapen after adding 50lb of sand into this 10 g of water...

    BTW -
    this sand looks like it is moist, so there is less then 50lb of sand :)
    This is probably the reason for signs of algae in the bags inside...
    They do not keep this sand inside but rather in the gardening section
    which is always some of wet - bags have to capture some of the moisture.
     
    Pszemol, Sep 11, 2003
    #32
  13. Mort

    Benjamin Guest

    Buy one of your monster sumps and put it in there? Sorry, I couldn't help
    that.

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    "Marc Levenson" <melev@swbell.net> wrote in message
    news:3F610E91.5E0B646D@swbell.net...
    > How will you put 50lbs of sand in a 10g? ;)
    >
    > Marc
    >
    >
    > Pszemol wrote:
    >
    > > I will compare what will hapen after adding 50lb of sand into this 10 g

    of water...
    > >

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    >
     
    Benjamin, Sep 12, 2003
    #33
  14. Mort

    Rick Wagner Guest

    Me too, I picked up 3 50# buckets when south down was still shipping it
    to end users. It went from milky to crystal clear in 2 or 3 day if i
    remember. great stuff.

    -Rick

    On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Mort wrote:

    > <snip>
    >
    > > How many people have it here and can say "first hand" they are happy with

    > it?
    >
    > </snip>
    >
    >
    > Me. =) (so far anyway)
    >
    >
    >


    --
    -----------
    "Information is pretty thin
    unless mixed with experience"
     
    Rick Wagner, Sep 12, 2003
    #34
  15. Mort

    Pszemol Guest

    I do not know why, but this 50lb bag is relatively small...
    I have eye-estimated amount of sand and it should be no problem
    fitting this whole bag in the tank and not creating too much sand.
    I hope to create a layer of 1/4 hight of the tank, no more...
    Of course I could be wrong, but this sand looks heavy, so 50lb
    does not make too much volume... I will weigh the bag anyway :)))
    I had no time yesterday to make the experiment so I will try
    doing this tonight. I'll let you know what happens... :)

    "Benjamin" <benjamin1@netins.net> wrote in message news:bjr4m3$5bl$1@ins22.netins.net...
    > Buy one of your monster sumps and put it in there? Sorry, I couldn't help
    > that.
    >
    > --
    > --
    > Benjamin1@netins.net
    > My Web Site: http://showcase.netins.net/web/reefpage/
    >
    >
    >
    > "Marc Levenson" <melev@swbell.net> wrote in message
    > news:3F610E91.5E0B646D@swbell.net...
    > > How will you put 50lbs of sand in a 10g? ;)
    > >
    > > Marc
    > >
    > >
    > > Pszemol wrote:
    > >
    > > > I will compare what will hapen after adding 50lb of sand into this 10 g

    > of water...
    > > >

    > >
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    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
    Pszemol, Sep 12, 2003
    #35
  16. In article <bjs26g.488.0@poczta.onet.pl>, Pszemol@PolBox.com says...
    > I do not know why, but this 50lb bag is relatively small...
    > I have eye-estimated amount of sand and it should be no problem
    > fitting this whole bag in the tank and not creating too much sand.
    > I hope to create a layer of 1/4 hight of the tank, no more...
    > Of course I could be wrong, but this sand looks heavy, so 50lb
    > does not make too much volume... I will weigh the bag anyway :)))
    > I had no time yesterday to make the experiment so I will try
    > doing this tonight. I'll let you know what happens... :)


    Don't be surprised if it doesn't look like much -- sand is heavy.
    According to the DSB calculator on RC, you're looking at somewhere
    between 70 and 100 lbs per cubic foot (with "most aragonites weigh 70lbs
    per cubic foot").


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    100 gallon reef-ready air tank. (Converting to reef)
     
    Marco Qualizza, Sep 12, 2003
    #36
  17. Mort

    Moontanman Guest

    Yes, it good sand but where can you find it now?

    Moon
    remove nospam from e-mail to send to me, I grow trees in aquariums like bonsai.
    I breed dwarf crayfish, great for planted community tanks. If you can get me a
    shovelnose sturgeon fingerling (Scaphirhynchus platorynchus) no wild caught
    please, contact me
     
    Moontanman, Sep 13, 2003
    #37
  18. Mort

    Bob Parkins Guest

    How dare you question me! Did you not read the post a while back in which
    King Marc dubbed me an expert?

    Pszemol <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote in message
    news:bjpjfg.1fk.0@poczta.onet.pl...
    > "Bob Parkins" <bobparkins@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote in message

    news:4Ii1b.3112$lw4.2222@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > Buy as much as you can!!! We can't even get it on the West Coast

    without a
    > > "hook-up."
    > > The reason for the warning is because the manufacturer and distributors

    have
    > > exclusive agreements (not sure of correct terminology). They mine it

    and
    > > sell in 2 directions. 1 goes to aquarium hobby and is marked WAY, WAY,

    WAY
    > > up. 2 goes to Southdown company (whatever their name is this week) and

    they
    > > are under contract NOT to sell to anyone who intends to use it for
    > > aquariums. I believe this is what is called the "free-market

    economy".....
    > > uhhh I don't think so. Some have been told this directly by either HD
    > > workers, or at the manufacturers/miners place in FL. Apparently if you
    > > inquire at HD you have to play the "game." It is for a sandbox. The HD
    > > "PLAYSAND" sold in my area (CA) is silica beach sand and has a cancer
    > > warning on it...... go figure. I guess this could be useful if ever
    > > questioned about why use such an obscure sand for sandbox. BTW, HD in

    CA
    > > has not only never heard of it but this region doesn't even do business

    with
    > > any distributor that carries it.... or at least that is what they told

    me.
    > > Have read the same from others close to here as well. From my research

    the
    > > SD at HD is EXACTLY the same with the possible exception of starting out

    a
    > > tad dustier. Buy some, and then buy some more, and then buy some for

    me!
    >
    > If you have noticed some differences between the sand from Home Depot and
    > the sand from the fish store ("tad dustier") how can you say "EXACTLY the

    same"?
    > Maybe the sand for fish store goes through some additional cleaning?
    >
    > The reason I dig up this thread is that I was very convinced to the HD
    > sand and was going to buy it myself until I talked it over with my friend
    > and he rised some warnings... In his opinion this can be different sand
    > or same sand but going through separate cleaning/sieving process...
    > And also, we do not know what is the location for collecting the sand.
    > Is is some dirty, polutet part of beach? Know knows? Is it worth risking?
    > How many people have it here and can say "first hand" they are happy with

    it?
     
    Bob Parkins, Sep 13, 2003
    #38
  19. Mort

    Pszemol Guest

    Mine is crystal clear after 24 hours.
    But the difference is I started with "old" water...
    So the bacteria was already there.

    "Rick Wagner" <wagner@fuse.net> wrote in message news:20030912001659.I434@darkside.fuse.net...
    > Me too, I picked up 3 50# buckets when south down was still shipping it
    > to end users. It went from milky to crystal clear in 2 or 3 day if i
    > remember. great stuff.
    >
    > -Rick
    >
    > On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Mort wrote:
    >
    > > <snip>
    > >
    > > > How many people have it here and can say "first hand" they are happy with

    > > it?
    > >
    > > </snip>
    > >
    > >
    > > Me. =) (so far anyway)
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    > --
    > -----------
    > "Information is pretty thin
    > unless mixed with experience"
    >
     
    Pszemol, Sep 14, 2003
    #39
  20. Mort

    Pszemol Guest

    "Bob Parkins" <bobparkins@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote in message news:hJI8b.1947$BS5.1277@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > How dare you question me! Did you not read the post a while back in which
    > King Marc dubbed me an expert?


    Right, but the problem is, that if this sand contains some pollutants
    we can not tell unless we will see bad feeling in our fish/corals...
    But then it is usually too late for that kind of discovery :-(
    Oh well, I will give it a try...
     
    Pszemol, Sep 14, 2003
    #40
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