What's the best SALT?

Discussion in 'Reef Fishes' started by Peter Pan, Jan 21, 2006.

  1. Peter Pan

    Pat Guest

    Re: What's the best SALT? IO facts !!

    Seriously, humans are developed with a tail? I'm disappointed that has
    been evolved out. My cat seems to enjoy his, I think I could while away
    several hours wagging my tail. It may not be necessary, but I think
    it would be great.

    Pszemol wrote:
    > "Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message
    > news:43E279CC.8020302@WayneSallee.com...
    >
    >> I've done a lot more research on the reef environment than I have or
    >> ever will do on fetal development. I'm sorry to disapoint you in that
    >> I have not done extensive research on fetal development. :)

    >
    >
    > I am affraid, you are missing the point...
    > You do not need any reaserch to know, being a human,
    > that you do not need branchia nor the tail... but you had
    > them, guaranteed, before you were born...
    > There is not question about "if" they are there - they are!
    > This is the fact. The question is "why", or "what for".
     
    Pat, Feb 2, 2006
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  2. Peter Pan

    Pszemol Guest

    Re: What's the best SALT? IO facts !!

    "Pat" <ozman213@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:G6vEf.46115$7S.22128@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
    > Seriously, humans are developed with a tail? I'm disappointed that has
    > been evolved out. My cat seems to enjoy his, I think I could while away
    > several hours wagging my tail. It may not be necessary, but I think
    > it would be great.


    Creationist:
    Please dirrect your complaint to Mr. (or Mrs?) God ;-)

    Evolutionist:
    If you really need it, you would still have it attached to your behind... :)

    BTW - there are some occurences of humans born with remainder
    of the tail, which is usually surgically removed later... Check this out:
    http://images.google.com/images?hl=pl&q=human tail&lr=&sa=N&tab=wi
    This is not a joke - these are real pictures.
     
    Pszemol, Feb 2, 2006
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  3. Peter Pan

    Pszemol Guest

    Re: What's the best SALT? IO facts !!

    "Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message news:43E220C9.8000603@WayneSallee.com...
    > Yes, I'm aware of the tail thing, but that still does not
    > proove that we evolved from animals any more than my
    > computer evolved from a toaster oven.


    Then it must be true what they say here about the Hindu god :)
    http://www.visual-evolution.com/tails.htm
    "Crowds are flocking to Indian temples to see a Muslim baby
    with a 'tail' who is believed to be the reincarnation of a Hindu god.
    The 11-month-old boy has been named Balaji or Bajrangbali, another
    name for monkey-faced Lord Hanuman. He is reported to have a 4in 'tail'
    caused by genetic mutations during the development of the foetus.
    Iqbal Qureshi, the child's maternal grandfather, is taking Balaji from
    temple to temple where people offer money to see the boy. Mr Qureshi
    says the baby has nine spots on his body like Lord Hanuman and
    showed them to journalists, reports Indian newspaper The Tribune."


    Yet another example for religion filling gaps in one's education!

    History repeats: same thing was with lightning, which was considered
    in ancient Greece/Rome as a sign of "god Zeus being angree"
    http://www.greeka.com/greek-mythology.htm or, Sun eclipse
    in ancient Egypt was used by educated priests for brainwashing
    poorly educated peasants, convincing them they made God angry with
    their lack of obedience... http://www.touregypt.net/astro/
    And many, many other similar examples...

    I will not be first to notice that with expanding science, religion
    withdraws into marginal role in society - Sadly, in USA, creationism
    is growing strong and now challenges evolutionism in schools, which
    is interestingly consistent with the visible problems in the education
    sector: http://www.conway.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm
     
    Pszemol, Feb 3, 2006
  4. Peter Pan

    Jaime R-S Guest

    Re: What's the best SALT? IO facts !!

    Let it rest, this guy is a fanatic, probably republican, no use to continue
    argueing with a fanatic...
    Lets please go back to aquariums...

    jrs
    "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote in message
    news:drtlon.g8.1@poczta.onet.pl...
    > "Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message
    > news:43E220C9.8000603@WayneSallee.com...
    >> Yes, I'm aware of the tail thing, but that still does not proove that we
    >> evolved from animals any more than my computer evolved from a toaster
    >> oven.

    >
    > Then it must be true what they say here about the Hindu god :)
    > http://www.visual-evolution.com/tails.htm
    > "Crowds are flocking to Indian temples to see a Muslim baby
    > with a 'tail' who is believed to be the reincarnation of a Hindu god. The
    > 11-month-old boy has been named Balaji or Bajrangbali, another
    > name for monkey-faced Lord Hanuman. He is reported to have a 4in 'tail'
    > caused by genetic mutations during the development of the foetus.
    > Iqbal Qureshi, the child's maternal grandfather, is taking Balaji from
    > temple to temple where people offer money to see the boy. Mr Qureshi
    > says the baby has nine spots on his body like Lord Hanuman and
    > showed them to journalists, reports Indian newspaper The Tribune."
    >
    >
    > Yet another example for religion filling gaps in one's education!
    >
    > History repeats: same thing was with lightning, which was considered
    > in ancient Greece/Rome as a sign of "god Zeus being angree"
    > http://www.greeka.com/greek-mythology.htm or, Sun eclipse
    > in ancient Egypt was used by educated priests for brainwashing
    > poorly educated peasants, convincing them they made God angry with
    > their lack of obedience... http://www.touregypt.net/astro/
    > And many, many other similar examples...
    >
    > I will not be first to notice that with expanding science, religion
    > withdraws into marginal role in society - Sadly, in USA, creationism
    > is growing strong and now challenges evolutionism in schools, which
    > is interestingly consistent with the visible problems in the education
    > sector: http://www.conway.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm
     
    Jaime R-S, Feb 3, 2006
  5. Peter Pan

    Wayne Sallee Guest

    Re: What's the best SALT? IO facts !!

    LOL yes I'm a republican.

    Wayne Sallee
    Wayne's Pets
    Wayne@WaynesPets.com


    Jaime R-S wrote on 2/2/2006 8:52 PM:
    > Let it rest, this guy is a fanatic, probably republican, no use to continue
    > argueing with a fanatic...
    > Lets please go back to aquariums...
    >
    > jrs
    > "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote in message
    > news:drtlon.g8.1@poczta.onet.pl...
    >
    >>"Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message
    >>news:43E220C9.8000603@WayneSallee.com...
    >>
    >>>Yes, I'm aware of the tail thing, but that still does not proove that we
    >>>evolved from animals any more than my computer evolved from a toaster
    >>>oven.

    >>
    >>Then it must be true what they say here about the Hindu god :)
    >>http://www.visual-evolution.com/tails.htm
    >>"Crowds are flocking to Indian temples to see a Muslim baby
    >>with a 'tail' who is believed to be the reincarnation of a Hindu god. The
    >>11-month-old boy has been named Balaji or Bajrangbali, another
    >>name for monkey-faced Lord Hanuman. He is reported to have a 4in 'tail'
    >>caused by genetic mutations during the development of the foetus.
    >>Iqbal Qureshi, the child's maternal grandfather, is taking Balaji from
    >>temple to temple where people offer money to see the boy. Mr Qureshi
    >>says the baby has nine spots on his body like Lord Hanuman and
    >>showed them to journalists, reports Indian newspaper The Tribune."
    >>
    >>
    >>Yet another example for religion filling gaps in one's education!
    >>
    >>History repeats: same thing was with lightning, which was considered
    >>in ancient Greece/Rome as a sign of "god Zeus being angree"
    >>http://www.greeka.com/greek-mythology.htm or, Sun eclipse
    >>in ancient Egypt was used by educated priests for brainwashing
    >>poorly educated peasants, convincing them they made God angry with
    >>their lack of obedience... http://www.touregypt.net/astro/
    >>And many, many other similar examples...
    >>
    >>I will not be first to notice that with expanding science, religion
    >>withdraws into marginal role in society - Sadly, in USA, creationism
    >>is growing strong and now challenges evolutionism in schools, which
    >>is interestingly consistent with the visible problems in the education
    >>sector: http://www.conway.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm

    >
    >
    >
     
    Wayne Sallee, Feb 3, 2006
  6. Peter Pan

    Jaime R-S Guest

    Re: What's the best SALT? IO facts !!

    and I bet you are proud of it too!

    jrs
    "Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message
    news:43E2B8F6.5050101@WayneSallee.com...
    > LOL yes I'm a republican.
    >
    > Wayne Sallee
    > Wayne's Pets
    > Wayne@WaynesPets.com
    >
    >
    > Jaime R-S wrote on 2/2/2006 8:52 PM:
    >> Let it rest, this guy is a fanatic, probably republican, no use to
    >> continue argueing with a fanatic...
    >> Lets please go back to aquariums...
    >>
    >> jrs
    >> "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote in message
    >> news:drtlon.g8.1@poczta.onet.pl...
    >>
    >>>"Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message
    >>>news:43E220C9.8000603@WayneSallee.com...
    >>>
    >>>>Yes, I'm aware of the tail thing, but that still does not proove that we
    >>>>evolved from animals any more than my computer evolved from a toaster
    >>>>oven.
    >>>
    >>>Then it must be true what they say here about the Hindu god :)
    >>>http://www.visual-evolution.com/tails.htm
    >>>"Crowds are flocking to Indian temples to see a Muslim baby
    >>>with a 'tail' who is believed to be the reincarnation of a Hindu god. The
    >>>11-month-old boy has been named Balaji or Bajrangbali, another
    >>>name for monkey-faced Lord Hanuman. He is reported to have a 4in 'tail'
    >>>caused by genetic mutations during the development of the foetus.
    >>>Iqbal Qureshi, the child's maternal grandfather, is taking Balaji from
    >>>temple to temple where people offer money to see the boy. Mr Qureshi
    >>>says the baby has nine spots on his body like Lord Hanuman and
    >>>showed them to journalists, reports Indian newspaper The Tribune."
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Yet another example for religion filling gaps in one's education!
    >>>
    >>>History repeats: same thing was with lightning, which was considered
    >>>in ancient Greece/Rome as a sign of "god Zeus being angree"
    >>>http://www.greeka.com/greek-mythology.htm or, Sun eclipse
    >>>in ancient Egypt was used by educated priests for brainwashing
    >>>poorly educated peasants, convincing them they made God angry with
    >>>their lack of obedience... http://www.touregypt.net/astro/
    >>>And many, many other similar examples...
    >>>
    >>>I will not be first to notice that with expanding science, religion
    >>>withdraws into marginal role in society - Sadly, in USA, creationism
    >>>is growing strong and now challenges evolutionism in schools, which
    >>>is interestingly consistent with the visible problems in the education
    >>>sector: http://www.conway.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm

    >>
    >>
     
    Jaime R-S, Feb 3, 2006
  7. Peter Pan

    Cindy Guest

    Re: What's the best SALT? IO facts !!

    Oh brother.....I've had this thread blocked for a week -- just checked in to
    see if maybe the subject got interesting or on-topic.....guess not. Have
    fun guys.
     
    Cindy, Feb 3, 2006
  8. Peter Pan

    unclenorm Guest

    Re: What's the best SALT? IO facts !!

    OK, the time has come for you guys to stop trying to provoke each other
    by talking utter crap, if you are still interested in the original
    thread then post relevant comments and stop acting like ignorant young
    school kids, if you have no interest in salt mixes then go find some
    other subject to talk crap about.
    regards,
    unclenorm.
     
    unclenorm, Feb 3, 2006
  9. Peter Pan

    unclenorm Guest

    Re: What's the best SALT? IO facts !!

    Pszemol,
    It is no use trying to twist your statement now you
    realise what a stupid statement it was. Your statement that your RO/DI
    filters do not do a very good may well be true, for many reasons. A
    properly operated and mentained good quality RO/DI unit will give you
    water that even the best of your labs will not be able to detect any
    impuritys. I am not cheating my self, purification of water to the
    highest grade is our buisiness.
    regards,
    unclenorm.
     
    unclenorm, Feb 3, 2006
  10. Re: What's the best SALT? IO facts !!

    > Evolution is the Fary tail. Evolution is so faulty that
    > Musiums put documents up on the wall that they know are
    > not true, just to help make it look like they have proof.
    > "Suzy" is a prime example of that. There is not one bit of
    > proof to the *theory* of evolution.


    So you're a Goddidit kind of guy?. Come on over to talk.origins and we can
    continue the discussion there. I dare you :)
    --
    Kind Regards
    Cameron
     
    Dogma Discharge, Feb 3, 2006
  11. Peter Pan

    Pszemol Guest

    Re: What's the best SALT? IO facts !!

    "unclenorm" <normnam2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1138951055.053513.321590@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
    > It is no use trying to twist your statement now you
    > realise what a stupid statement it was.


    No, I am far from realising this... Help me to realise, please! :)

    > Your statement that your RO/DI filters do not do a very good
    > may well be true, for many reasons. A properly operated and
    > mentained good quality RO/DI unit will give you water that even
    > the best of your labs will not be able to detect any impuritys.


    That was my point, exactly... A lot of good labs is NOT ABLE to
    detect several ions at the concentrations listed in the NSW.
    Why bother with such ions then ?

    > I am not cheating my self, purification of water to the
    > highest grade is our buisiness


    Tell me please, how do you measure the concentration of Antimony and
    Cesium in your water ? What are the levels of them in your fish tank ?
    How about Tungsten, Chromium, Bismuth, Gold ? How often you test
    for them and where do you test your water samples ? I am sure you
    know what are the levels of these ions in the water... tell me, please!

    p.s. Note, I am not mean and I do not ask about Radium and Radon :)
     
    Pszemol, Feb 3, 2006
  12. Peter Pan

    David Zopf Guest

    Re: What's the best SALT? IO facts !!

    "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote in message
    news:drr0n4.2d4.1@poczta.onet.pl...
    > "David Zopf" <davidxzopf@snetx.net> wrote in message
    > news:GZ6Ef.10297$NS6.7132@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
    >> I asked once, and politely, Wayne. You and Jamie are OT for r.a.m.reefs.

    >
    > Then why do you take part in this OT discussion yourself ?
    > You are only adding oil to the fire already burning...
    >


    You are probably right... I added comments only as the conversation relates
    to fishkeeping and (as Wayne says) our understanding of aquatic life. (and
    to correct Wayne's mis-understandings of ToE, as best I can...)

    DaveZ
    Atom Weaver
     
    David Zopf, Feb 3, 2006
  13. Peter Pan

    David Zopf Guest

    THAT topic... (was Re:What's the best SALT? IO facts !!)

    "Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message
    news:43E23FC5.9090007@WayneSallee.com...
    > Moon Snails:
    >

    One other poster said that their natural diet consists of clams and
    oysters..

    > An evolution viewpoint-
    > They develped a way to eat nails in such a way that other creatures could
    > not.
    >

    Better to say; some Moon Snail ancestor which could eat shellfish bred more
    successfully/more often, because of the advantage given by a either a more
    nutritous or less competitive food source.

    > A creation viewpoint-
    > They were created to eat snails thus keeping the snail poplulation in
    > check.
    >

    The snail diet you observe in your tank is not the function it serves in
    nature. Should Moon Snails be banned from sale, unless we provide them with
    the food which their Creator intended for them?

    > Coral Reef Death:
    >
    > An evolution viewpoint-
    > The corals have addapted to the environmental conditions that they live
    > in, and can't take the sudden increas in temperature, or other
    > environmental factors.
    >

    Yes, corals are highly adapted to (and successful in) their niche.

    > A creation viewpoint-
    > Some dyoff is part of the created plan to keep things in proper ballance.
    >

    Is the human waste/involvement part of the Created plan, too?

    It is also reasonable under ToE to say that the ecosystem which developed
    tends to try to keep itself in balance.

    > Parot Fish:
    >
    > An evolution viewpoit-
    > They have evolved a way to get nutrition out of coral by eating flesh and
    > coral skeleton.
    >
    > A creation viewpoint-
    > They were created to trim the coral,

    OK

    > and help in the cycle of calcim by dropping large amounts of calcium
    > carbonate sand.
    >

    This is a mere observation of consequence, and is also true under ToE.

    > Cleaner Shrimp:
    >
    > An evolution viewpoint-
    > They have learned over milions of years to eat parisites off of fish.


    Learning is a trait of individuals. Individuals don't evolve, species do.
    Say instead; a Cleaner shrimp ancestor gained a reproductive advantage over
    others by adapting this behavior.

    > And have marked themselves, and changed their body to be seen by fish
    > wanting to be cleaned. And fish have learned over milions of years to go
    > to the shrimp to be cleande.
    >

    and again with the re-state. Don't you think you should learn the ToE,
    _before_ you evaluate it against Creationism..?

    > A creation viewpoint-
    > They were created to clean fish, and Fish were given the instinct to go to
    > them to be cleaned.
    >

    Then why do cleaner species get eaten by their "clients"? The
    "cleaner-client" instinct is pretty imperfect, for a God-given trait...

    >
    > Whether you belive in creation, or evolution, affects the way you look at,
    > and deal with the life in your reef tank, and the life around you.
    >

    Aye, that it does. Your examples, though, look only at modern species.
    We have evidence of species which have died off, both ancient and recent,
    due to human action, and due to natural processes. Why Create species such
    that they would perish (and here I'm thinking of the ones which die out not
    because of human interaction)?
    As for the life around me... at the beginning of the winter season, I went
    to a doctor for a flu shot, rather than to a priest for a prayer. I'm a
    theistic chemist (Why be suprised? The majority of scientists are...), I'd
    prefer to use my God-given capacity for reason, and look at what the world
    shows me, when dealing with the life around me. A literal interpretation of
    a (revelatory) text doesn't aid that looking and reasoning, and isn't in the
    spirit of the Book in the first place. Reading the Bible literally is good
    for a giggle (Matthew 16:18 (http://bible.cc/matthew/16-18.htm) is my
    favorite... so Peter was a rock, hmm? He was pretty mobile and chatty, for
    a bit of granite.)

    DaveZ
    Atom Weaver
     
    David Zopf, Feb 3, 2006
  14. Re: THAT topic... (was Re:What's the best SALT? IO facts !!)

    so what is the best salt????? lol
     
    Elizabeth Davis, Feb 4, 2006
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