I really don't want to appear argumenative, but there are no such things. Do a search. Call a reputable on-line coral retailer/wholesaler. Ask the Zoa guys on RC, you know, the people that are all knowing in the zoa field. \n \nIt's a company in the mid-west trying to make money off the latest hornet rage. That's all it is, that is all it can be. Just because it has a ring Capt, does not make it a Hornet.