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Well? .. I AM trying
Yote & Fishy:
OK am going to take my time and really put some effort into answering your posts because I think you are zoning in on some great stuff and deserve sincere answers.
Just my 2 cents. But I doubt that the PH dropping to 7.7 has anythng to do with your invert problem. It would have had to drop instantly to have killed the snails.And if that had happened, it would have killd your fish to.
I tend to agree. Thank you for the support.
I think I read that you had a little cloudiness in the tank too. If thats that case, you've got somethng going on with the water.Probaby some type of bacteria. But that usually wouldn't kill the snails either unless it was accompanied by an ammonia spike.
Again same answer... And another thank you for the support it provides, I need it.
Have you had your LFS test the water? If nothing else it would verify you test results against theirs.
Yes it did and they agree with my testing. and that was a great support to get too.
Did you test for stray voltage in both your DT and sump? I'm vaguely recalling that you did and set up a grounding probe - if so, did you put a separate grounding probe in your sump and is it indeed connected to a grounded outlet?
Yes I have the stray voltage thing under control. Thank you, though.. good thinking.
My thoughts are stray voltage, copper, or bad snails. I'd recommend placing an order with reef cleaners, acclimating per their instructions (which is different than normal drip acclimation), and see how they do. Their snails are supposed to very hearty to changes in water chemistry because they come from tidal pools.
I like the reef cleaners idea.. I have seen snails come in, in the bags by the hundred and be "dumped into tanks" and expect they lost high % behind the scenes. I will get back to this last again if I don't forget.. it I don't then remind me to.
As for the brittestar - they ship poorly and can never be exposed to air. Even if you didn't expose it, one of the LFS employees may have, or it may have been exposed along the chain of command from collection to the LFS. They are also apparently sensitive to the oils in our hands so best to use gloves when handling them - again, even if you used gloves, someone else along the way may not have.
Crap, then I may of screw that one up!!! We caught it in a net..and lofted it out of the tank which I now know was being medicated for flat worms.. I drip aclimbed it and eased it out of the bag into my tank though. And yes I do tend to have my hands in the tank a lot... I guess a lot.. at least once a day, average and do use lotion but try.. ummm.. I expect I do fail to remember some times. . good answers! .. and I DID have the conch out of the water a couple of times.. would that be a no-no.
Zoas are just a PITA - some do fine, others melt right away, and others do fine for months and then bam, seem to melt over night. I doubt the snail problems are related to your zoas. For the zoas, what types of light do you have, how are you acclimating them to your lights, where are you getting them from, how much flow are they getting?
Hummm many of my (maybe all) of my zoas were fast fire sales, one LFS had problems and I knew they would be a risk and had to do very hardy dipping and cleaning, the other had a special anniversary sale bringing in many corals for a buy one get one sale. So may of been in trouble already though they looked great in the display. Lights are LEDs and I think I am learning how to acclimate better per lights.. but it is a learning curve. I touch on flow in a moment.
And one last thought - keep your hands out of the tank! You might either be introducing something to the tank (like if you accidentally have lotion on your hands, etc), or every time you move stuff around are disturbing your corals and critters. Seriously, just let things sit for a while and see what happens (hard as hell, I know!
Yeah, we were already here. GOOD HELPS GUYS!!
I had decided just before I had read these two posts that I need to just set back and enjoy the tank a while, perhaps save and add an additional Vortex to slave to the one I have...I think flow is not bad but I do have some sediment on much of my life rock that should be moved around and off so it can be carried into the sump systems. ..If all the coral make it or fail ...not get into a knee jerk action and let the tank mature and concentrate on healthy fish for a while. After a couple of weeks not fooling with the tank I intend to order a CUC from reef cleaners.
I think it may be a combination of getting bad live stock, some mistakes on my handling, flow, not a mature tank, and leaving things alone.
Thank you for the support,,, and everyone for the great help and answers.. more is welcomed.. and will be taken with serious value.
OK am going to take my time and really put some effort into answering your posts because I think you are zoning in on some great stuff and deserve sincere answers.
Just my 2 cents. But I doubt that the PH dropping to 7.7 has anythng to do with your invert problem. It would have had to drop instantly to have killed the snails.And if that had happened, it would have killd your fish to.
I tend to agree. Thank you for the support.
I think I read that you had a little cloudiness in the tank too. If thats that case, you've got somethng going on with the water.Probaby some type of bacteria. But that usually wouldn't kill the snails either unless it was accompanied by an ammonia spike.
Again same answer... And another thank you for the support it provides, I need it.
Have you had your LFS test the water? If nothing else it would verify you test results against theirs.
Yes it did and they agree with my testing. and that was a great support to get too.
Did you test for stray voltage in both your DT and sump? I'm vaguely recalling that you did and set up a grounding probe - if so, did you put a separate grounding probe in your sump and is it indeed connected to a grounded outlet?
Yes I have the stray voltage thing under control. Thank you, though.. good thinking.
My thoughts are stray voltage, copper, or bad snails. I'd recommend placing an order with reef cleaners, acclimating per their instructions (which is different than normal drip acclimation), and see how they do. Their snails are supposed to very hearty to changes in water chemistry because they come from tidal pools.
I like the reef cleaners idea.. I have seen snails come in, in the bags by the hundred and be "dumped into tanks" and expect they lost high % behind the scenes. I will get back to this last again if I don't forget.. it I don't then remind me to.
As for the brittestar - they ship poorly and can never be exposed to air. Even if you didn't expose it, one of the LFS employees may have, or it may have been exposed along the chain of command from collection to the LFS. They are also apparently sensitive to the oils in our hands so best to use gloves when handling them - again, even if you used gloves, someone else along the way may not have.
Crap, then I may of screw that one up!!! We caught it in a net..and lofted it out of the tank which I now know was being medicated for flat worms.. I drip aclimbed it and eased it out of the bag into my tank though. And yes I do tend to have my hands in the tank a lot... I guess a lot.. at least once a day, average and do use lotion but try.. ummm.. I expect I do fail to remember some times. . good answers! .. and I DID have the conch out of the water a couple of times.. would that be a no-no.
Zoas are just a PITA - some do fine, others melt right away, and others do fine for months and then bam, seem to melt over night. I doubt the snail problems are related to your zoas. For the zoas, what types of light do you have, how are you acclimating them to your lights, where are you getting them from, how much flow are they getting?
Hummm many of my (maybe all) of my zoas were fast fire sales, one LFS had problems and I knew they would be a risk and had to do very hardy dipping and cleaning, the other had a special anniversary sale bringing in many corals for a buy one get one sale. So may of been in trouble already though they looked great in the display. Lights are LEDs and I think I am learning how to acclimate better per lights.. but it is a learning curve. I touch on flow in a moment.
And one last thought - keep your hands out of the tank! You might either be introducing something to the tank (like if you accidentally have lotion on your hands, etc), or every time you move stuff around are disturbing your corals and critters. Seriously, just let things sit for a while and see what happens (hard as hell, I know!
Yeah, we were already here. GOOD HELPS GUYS!!
I had decided just before I had read these two posts that I need to just set back and enjoy the tank a while, perhaps save and add an additional Vortex to slave to the one I have...I think flow is not bad but I do have some sediment on much of my life rock that should be moved around and off so it can be carried into the sump systems. ..If all the coral make it or fail ...not get into a knee jerk action and let the tank mature and concentrate on healthy fish for a while. After a couple of weeks not fooling with the tank I intend to order a CUC from reef cleaners.
I think it may be a combination of getting bad live stock, some mistakes on my handling, flow, not a mature tank, and leaving things alone.
Thank you for the support,,, and everyone for the great help and answers.. more is welcomed.. and will be taken with serious value.
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